|Any comments on this 97' carbon fiber Lemond||rob99|
Mar 1, 2003 4:42 PM
|Hello to all:
I recently ran across this add in our local paper for a bike for sale. I am in the market and am leaning heavily to the new carbon fiber Giant. However, this bike has got my interest and is much under the cost of a new Giant carbon setbup. The frame has 2000 miles on it, and the full Campy Record groupo has about 500 miles. The wheels are 16 spoke Vinn?? He is asking $1,500. Anybody out there had any experiences owning or knowing someone who has owned this frame or complete bike setup? For a carbon fiber bike it seems a bit heavy. The owner said it currently weighs in around 21-22 lbs. I have included the pic of the bike. Thanks in advance for any ensuing discussion. Ride on.
|re: Any comments on this 97' carbon fiber Lemond||russw19|
Mar 1, 2003 5:15 PM
|That is exactly the same as a Trek OCLV frame of the same year. I can not actually remember if the LeMond's had the same geometry as the Treks. I think they did, but am not sure.
As for the group, that's where the weight is. Look at the bike. It is a quill stem design, which means that fork has a steel threaded steerer tube. It also has a quill stem, but it's a Cinelli Ti stem. It's nice and stiff, but still kinda heavy. Also, the Look pedals on that bike look to be 206's, which are pigs. The bar and seatpost are also vintage '97 stuff, which is before people made really nice light stuff. The post looks to be a Trek System 2 post, heavy. The bars, I guess are Cinelli 66's, but they are also heavy. But it's all nice stuff. It is functional, just not light. The Concor saddle on there is heavy too. The wheels are actually an older Campy wheelset, look to be the Vento's. One of the first wheelsets on the market to use deep rims and lower spoke counts. They weren't light then, and they certainly aren't by today's standards, but they are fast and durable. That is what you really want in your wheels anyways. I don't know about $1500, but if the groupo is all Record 10, it's worth it. If you wanted that bike to be lighter, I would start with a new seat and post, tires, and pedals. Then you could convert the front end to a nice threadless design with an alloy steerer to cut over a pound off that bike. All in all, you can probably get that bike down to like 18 pounds or under if you tried without doing anything too drastic. The frame is of the 2.5 pound OCLV vintage for what looks like a 58cm frame (??? that's about what it looks like) so you have a lot to work with. But without spending too much, you could probably buy it and get it down to 19 lbs, for like $1800 (that includes your $1500 purchase price) just go for lighter pedals, post, and saddle to start with. After that, the changes will start to get costly.
Hope that's what you were looking for.... but it looks like a nice bike, and if the groupo is full Record, it's worth the asking price.
|Beg to differ.||look271|
Mar 1, 2003 6:35 PM
|While it is a nice bike, $1500 sounds steep for a 6 yr old bike.|
|Beg to differ.||russw19|
Mar 1, 2003 7:03 PM
|6 year old frame....2002 or 2003 Campy Record 10 Carbon, and it's worth $1500.... that was my point in the post. If it's not full Campy 10, it's obviously worth less, but Campy 10 is super sweet, but expensive.
Price it out, you can't get a Campy Record build kit right now for less than $1250 if you really really try.... add $250 for frame, fork, bar, stem, seat, post, wheels... it's worth it.
Now is it worth it to you? That's another arguement, but the bike is worth the asking price if it's what it looks to be and in good shape.
Mar 2, 2003 8:41 AM
|Any component, Campy or other, if used, is generally worth 1/2 what it was new. I agree it is a sweet bike, but I just don't think that it is worth $1500. Just my opinion. That's what he asked for, wasn't it?|
Mar 2, 2003 2:26 PM
|Good enough answer for me.... Thanks!
|re: Any comments on this 97' carbon fiber Lemond||12x23|
Mar 1, 2003 6:26 PM
|Provided it fits, and it speaks to you, I'd jump on it at that $$ if frame/fork/and Record is in as good condition as appears in the photo. You could get a pr of Excel Sports Cirrus wheels with Record hubs for a little over $300 and lose 400 or more grams (where you can feel it), and have those Campy anvils for every day or ebay.
I'd get the saddle my butt wants and stay with the threaded steerer/Grammo stem. If you prefer another bar that's only a few bucks.
I think this is just a 150 oclv like any other 5500. There's no reason this bike shouldn't be under 20lbs with little effort.
|re: Any comments on this 97' carbon fiber Lemond||Giant Joe|
Mar 1, 2003 8:12 PM
I don't know what size this Lemond is or what the size of the Giant you are looking at,but I would think they are completely different in geometry WB,seat angle and setback just to name A few.
Of the three carbon bikes that I had owned they all rode great,but one stood out everytime I rode It.This is the one that "fit" me the best,notice It mostly on the down hills and for handling at fast speeds.It was also the lowest price one of the three!
|re: Any comments on this 97' carbon fiber Lemond||ParticleMan|
Mar 2, 2003 4:40 AM
|Hi..just my 2 cents worth...go for the Lemond. I've ridden Lemond bikes before, and they are good value. But ride the Giant for its feel. Back here in Singapore, the Giant is clearing real cheap as many people who buy it do not like its riding properties. In fact, a 2 month old Giant TCR Carbon will sell for about USD800! the frames you buy are not the ones ONCE use, and this info we have from the Taiwan manufacturer themselves. And its more plastic than carbon. [this is the info we got, please dont flame me]
I apologise to all Giant owners, this is just my $0.02, and feedback. Of course, all this can be subjective, so please ride both bikes first, before making a decision. Whichever you like, get it, and forget what others say!
Have a good ride , all!
|elaborate on the giants please||lancewannabe|
Mar 2, 2003 6:21 AM
|Could you be more specific about the differences between the ONCE frames and general market frames? I dont have one, but they really seem to be popular right now|
|no diff...same frame (nm)||Frith|
Mar 2, 2003 8:18 AM
|re: Any comments on this 97' carbon fiber Lemond||rob99|
Mar 2, 2003 8:27 AM
$800 for a new carbon fiber Giant in Taiwan? I am looking at spending $3500 for a Dura-Ace equipped TCR Zero here in the states. What are the TCR Zero's costing in Taiwan, and why the big price difference?