|All this talk fo steel frames....||Iwannapodiumgirl|
Mar 1, 2003 12:21 AM
|Which steel frame would you get and why, out of these three:
a) Colnago Master Extralight
b) Pinarello Opera
c) Gios Compact Pro.
|a gios (and save a penny)||Spirito|
Mar 1, 2003 1:27 AM
i dont think if your riding all three that any will especially stand out in terms of noticeably better performance. they are all pretty good and the Gios is the cheapest but doesn't look it. its a little different too (not every one has one).
or hold your horses as ill be back down to your parts in a few months and will be rummaging through some old bikes stores in Syndey. ive been sourcing a fair bit of NOS parts from there the past year or so and from what i can tell they're looks to be some good frames as well but it havent had the 'nads to ship them over here to seppo land to make money on.
from what i can tell lugged steel is almost forgotten downunder by most enthusiasts and there must be a tonne of it there.
hope my mates looked after my XY falcon and surfboards. cant wait to be back and enjoy the beauty, the space, the harbour and beaches, all of it. i'd kill for a chiko roll and a pine-lime splice.
i miss so many things .... none as much as the surf .... and the chicks ;-)
|a lot of things are forgotten downunder...||Iwannapodiumgirl|
Mar 1, 2003 8:33 PM
|We may not be the arse end of the world, but you certainly can see it form here!
What are you looking for in particular in terms of NOS?
As for frames, steel is forgotten... i walked into Clarence Street Cycles yesterday and asked for a steel frame - they laughed at me! If I was not going ot buy a Trek 5900 they did not want to know about me...
I went to Europa Cycles too, but all of John's stock was burnt in the recent bushfires - his warehouse was at Waterfall.
I am tending towards the Gios - I love that blue!
When you are down, would you like to meet up for ride?
Mar 2, 2003 12:44 AM
|but i will be loading up the falcon and heading for a surf safari for a few months. havent surfed since '96 when i left. long overdue ......
wow ... shame about clarence street cycles ... but then again it doesn't surprise me as i dont think anyone wants to ride steel down there. it aint fashionable. they always sold nice bikes to guys that never really rode them anyway 'cept for a few sundays a month.
your ahead of the curve and should be able to pick up some nice vinatge swag for very little.
sad news about Europa - my first 3 bikes came from them. i remember almost "cracking a fat" whenever i went in their store.
im not sure if its still around but there was a place in Parramatta ( yes .. i was a westie till i left home) that i think was called World Cycles or something similar. they were a prime euro shop and if around would be worth checking what they have as they imported a lot of smaller lines (olmo, casati, bottechia etc etc).
ill still have the same handle and will post here when im all hooked up and itchin' for a ride. i do love riding out early from darlo to waterfall and then through the national park to the 'gong along the coast road and back. its always been my favorite ride - a little epic but its like a vacation. although after 4 years here in NYC im gonna suffer on them hills.
ooh ... your Gios wont be alone as ill be shipping my gios fixie accross. its too good to leave. its new to me but i have indeed fallen for it and love evry svratch and mark on its skin. sory i dont have a pic of it built up but i would call it an honest and no fuss frame. its neither heavy or lite, and is fuss free to ride yet its still obviously made by italians who had put years of experience and know how into building it to perform.
if you see dude in way retro clothes riding a white steel bike ( Gios or deRosa) and swearing at cars - there's a good chance it'll be me. im sure ill stick out like dog's balls.
Mar 1, 2003 9:28 AM
|Personal preference, of course. Objectively, the Opera is more on the cutting edge (and therefore lighter) than the Colnago or the Gios; carbon stays and fork, and the lightest steel available from Deda, EOM 16.5, TIG welded as opposed to lugged. But it costs the most, too.
Bang for your buck; no doubt the Gios!
|re: All this talk fo steel frames....||gtx|
Mar 1, 2003 10:55 AM
|I'd get the cheapest one that fit. I love the color, but the Gios has too steep of a seat tube angle for me. I'd get a good fit on the Colnago. The Opera is too spendy for me, and I don't like to mix anything with my steel--part of the reason I buy steel is for the very long term durability and repairability, which you don't get with carbon. So yes, the Colnago for me, though I'd probably still prefer something from a US builder...|
|Fondriest - this may be my next frame||Live Steam|
Mar 1, 2003 11:52 AM
|once we move into a house and I have more room for toys :O)
http://www.fondriest-usa.com/frameset.php?frame=statuscarb This is one zoot frame if you want steel! Hey they are on sale now too!
|re: All this talk fo steel frames....||geeker|
Mar 1, 2003 12:16 PM
|Depends. "Whatever fits best" would be the glib answer. In my case, although the Gios is by far the cheapest, I don't care for the very steep seat tube angle, and think the chain stays are a little short. The other two (Pinarello Opera and Colnago Master-X-Light) both have pretty good geometry (I'm tall, short torso, look for 60-61cm c-c). Frankly, they're both too expensive for me. I'd lean to the heavier Colnago for durability (I weigh 185#), but I just think Colnago paint jobs are too Godawful garish and ugly. However, I don't dig the steel triangle/carbon stays trend, which KOs the Opera.
Of the 3 mentioned, ignoring cost, it'd be the Colnago in the quietest paint job I could find. In practice, I'd go for something cheaper like a Gunnar Roadie, or equivalent from some other US builder.
|Gios compact pro, no question||Leroy|
Mar 1, 2003 12:32 PM
|for me, because I just got one. I'm fortunate in finding it because the geometry suits me better than anyting else I've ridden. Especially the top tube. But i have looked at the other two, and there ain't a thing wrong with them either. One you don't have on the list is a cinelli super corsa, deserving of consideration. I just knew the Gios fit me to a tee and I like the looks of it.|
|thanks for the responses...||Iwannapodiumgirl|
Mar 1, 2003 9:01 PM
|I think I will focus on the Gios and Colnago - I would like to keep my steel as real as possible!|
Mar 2, 2003 8:19 AM
|Got one and love it. Train + race on it. With DA and race wheels ~ 19lbs. Rock solid going downhill, plenty light going uphill too. All day comfort not a problem (did a quick 100 yesterday over some really awful roads here in New England) nor is holding your own in your local office park crit. What I love about the bike is the sense that it is just a little overbuilt. Yes, it is serious eye candy (chromed lugs and all) but underneath the gaudy paintjob, it is function first, then form. I can't say anything bad about the Pinarello or Gios (although when Alexi Grewal won the Olympic RR on his Pinarello I was in serious bike lust) but I can say that the 'Nago is a real gem.