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Cool pic - weight room workout reportPODIUMBOUNDdotCA
Feb 26, 2003 12:27 PM
CAUTION: Please do not try this at home.

Heres a pic of my weight room activity. You will see the Peak Power banner. The coaches all have their masters in kines and have a huge base of knowledge as well as supervise all activities such as this to ensure I don't get injured.

Just to enlighten people on this board I am a sprinter and as such I need to work on my power. One excercise is the one I am doing here with less than 30% of my squat. Therefore I am in complete control of the weight at all times but it allows me enough resistance to work on my power.

Nick
PodiumBound.ca
re: Cool pic - weight room workout reportBike Nut
Feb 26, 2003 12:35 PM
Are you sure about this?
"The coaches all have their masters in kines and have a huge base of knowledge as well as supervise all activities such as this to ensure I don't get injured. "
re: Cool pic - weight room workout reportTSuprano
Feb 26, 2003 12:39 PM
Cool pic. It looks like you are floating in the air. Very cool.
Change Your NameGalibier
Feb 26, 2003 1:03 PM
Maybe "WHEELCHAIRBOUNDdotCA."

How exactly are your coaches going to ensure you don't hurt yourself when you leap into the air with a heavy barbell on your shoulders?
How about a new forum called DFP. nmjaybird
Feb 26, 2003 1:33 PM
What is your major malfunction?AaronL
Feb 26, 2003 2:01 PM
Nick,

I'm not trying to be harsh, but do you just not get any attention at home? Please, we don't care about all the little aspects of your life.

You love cycling, so do we, but we do not care to see you doing a moronic exercise in your "gym."

I also noticed that you asked a very basic question about sprint training on cyclingnews.com and then signed it as a member of the Canadian National Team. If this is true, you would not be asking such a simple question. Your coaching staff would be answering these questions.

Please, do us a favor, save the BS for the girls in your school.

AL
I have to agreeKristin
Feb 26, 2003 2:34 PM
Nick, I believe your on the team and your not lying about that and pretending to be this guy. I could be wrong though. BUT, do you really think you should be seeking bike fit and riding advice from complete strangers--most of whom don't compete at all--without making sure your coaches know your doing so?
It was a shot in the darkPODIUMBOUNDdotCA
Feb 26, 2003 2:47 PM
It was a shot in the dark. But it is one that may pay off. From it I have been put in touch with an excercise physiologist, Richard Stern (www.cyclecoach.com) who I may pick as my main coach for the future. I know enough to not take advice from strangers without heavily questioning it but it does not mean I will not ask.

Nick
PodiumBound.ca
you guys are just jealous!!!!!!!!!!!!the bull
Feb 26, 2003 4:19 PM
of the........hans and franz strength.
pump u up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
pump u up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jump in up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jump in up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please read my post above (nm)PODIUMBOUNDdotCA
Feb 26, 2003 2:48 PM
Is this bad for knees?PODIUMBOUNDdotCA
Feb 26, 2003 2:09 PM
Look at how low Olympic lifters catch the bar and with how much weight. Very few of them ever develop knee problems even as masters. This is due to the fact through years of experience under their belt (both literally and figuratively) they have strengthened their knees to the point where they can apply shearing forces to their knee that are said to be bad for the average person. So either there is a huge coincidence there or they are doing something right.

So this means for the average person olympic lifts with the form top people use and jump squats are a bad idea. But in the right circumstances they can definitely be beneficial.

Nick
PodiumBound.ca
Is this bad for knees? Yes my son it is!gtscottie
Feb 26, 2003 2:20 PM
If you look in the picture the lifter has taped his knees. The reason the knees are taped is because his knees can not take the shearing forces you are talking about. The laws of physics apply no matter how strong you are and though you can build muscle you still take the chance of tearing that muscle from the bones.

As far as your jump squats go there are very few people doing them anymore because of knee, back and neck injuries that they can cause. You would be better off to add a few more reps and a little more weight with better results than risk breaking your body down.

Jump squats are mostly considered in my part of town as macho impress the chicks tricks. As a side bar the chicks usually go for the quiet guy sweating in the corner.

Gtscottie
oh come on nowColnagoFE
Feb 26, 2003 2:46 PM
Olympic lifters and professional bodybuilders are getting injured all the time, but that's the job they signed up for so they take risks that you or I wouldn't take to lift more weight. Nothing wrong with jump squats assuming you do them perfectly and have no existing knee or back problems, but for my $ I think that there are better alternatives less bound to cause injury than weighted plyometrics.
does anyone really give a sh*t about this?(NM)merckx56
Feb 26, 2003 2:14 PM
I guess I'm a little confusedRacer C
Feb 26, 2003 2:29 PM
Quick question here - Why is everyone so quick to jump down Nick's throat about every little thing? Yes, he made some bad posts, but I doubt he did it for the purpose of pissing everyone off. Are people to never be forgiven for a bad post or two? Here he just posted a pic of himself training that he thought might look cool. What's the big problem? The way people have responded makes everyone else almost afraid to post a pic or make any comment for fear of the reaction. Pretty soon we'll have a picless, boring forum with two sides - the timid people and the arguing people. I honestly doubt that if this were not a forum in which everyone is faceless and unaccounted for we would be so quick to bite each other's heads off. All I'm saying is be a little tolerant and respectful. Now, I'm sure this post will make me an outcast as well.

Flame shield on!
I'm a sprinter!AaronL
Feb 26, 2003 2:39 PM
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Did I tell you thatI'm a sprinter?

Are you sick of hearing it yet?

We are!

AL
I guess I'm a little confusedjtolleson
Feb 26, 2003 3:36 PM
Nah, I wouldn't flame you and I've never flamed Nick, but I have found the repeated me-me-me-me-me posts from a guy with "PodiumBound" for a screen name to be less than endearing.

Others have reacted even more strongly. Humility, kindness, posting about things, issues, and people other than one's self, and not being overly focused on self-promotion tend to win more friends and influence more people.

I don't think that leaves us with a boring forum at all. YMMV.
Nick has a little history working against him hereColnagoFE
Feb 26, 2003 3:38 PM
Do you remember when he first started posting? People flamed the heck out of him for being an egotistical know-it-all and eventually he learned to tone it down a bit. I was impressed at his thick skin and that he didn't just go away after his initial reception here. I think he might have what it takes to succeed in the racing biz. Seems that a big ego and a thick skin would be good traits.
Thanks Colnago :) (nm)PODIUMBOUNDdotCA
Feb 26, 2003 5:22 PM
re: Cool pic - weight room workout reportPygme
Feb 26, 2003 2:46 PM
The picture is kinda of a let down for me. I was for sure that your head would be a lot bigger!

I can not believe that you are really serious. You have to be a running joke in the line of Andy Kaufman...only Andy was kind enough to die.
Hey!Rich_Racer
Feb 26, 2003 2:52 PM
I too wonder why Nick seems to get flamed so often. I kind of like hearing his stories and how he's doing with his training. I used to spend a lot of time in the weights room when I was a rower and I know it can be a bit lonely at times! Even in a crew!

I have to think squat jumps with a bar are bad though! We used to do heavy squats and then a large number of squat jumps without a weight. I think that works just as well without the risk of injury.

yours,
Rich.
Thanks... this is like a bike with too many spacers postPODIUMBOUNDdotCA
Feb 26, 2003 2:59 PM
Thanks. I posted the picture because I thought it was cool and people have agreed. To me it is a very neat pic. But just like a expensive Colnago with top of the line components that has a flaw of too many spacers the only comment I recieve for the most part is your gonna hurt yourself on top of the regular flames I get. And although I appreciate the posts I know (not think) the coaches I have surrounding me know enough about what they are doing to not cause me to get injured.

Thanks,
Nick
PodiumBound.ca
remember nicks a big guy(sprinter).the bull
Feb 26, 2003 4:32 PM
not an "endurance"type skinny boy whinney cry baby loser boy like you all.
What might hurt you will not hurt nick, right!
i agreeYoungRcR
Feb 26, 2003 4:57 PM
I dont understand why nick catches so much flack. Granted I havent read all of his posts, but I know everyone of them has been followed with extensive bashing.

If you people hate Nick so much, why do you continue to read his posts, especially respond to them? If doing those jump things is what his coach has him doing, let him do them and learn from his mistakes/gains, whatever the case may be.

Personally i would never do that for the simple fact that a downward force that great on your knees cannot be good, perhaps asking your coach for an alternative such as leg press, extensions, thrusts, lunges or somethin as simple as walking up 2 stairs a time with weights in each hand.

Granted i am only 17, but i try to focus on protecting my knees and keeping balance in the muscles and tendons surrounding my knees with stretching and weight lifting in the winter so as not to pull my patella out of balance, causing injury.

If what nick does for his training works, good for him. I dont understand some of the posters here who live on this board and can recall previous posts from years and a person's history is just crazy too me. The truth is that he could probably smoke over %75 of the people on this board, but its not like you will ever find out so of course you can talk alot of crap. Just ignore his posts if you hate him, or if your into it, read it only for the entertainment. Its all about cycling right?
Thanks... this is like a bike with too many spacers postPygme
Feb 26, 2003 5:44 PM
You are NOT an expensive Colnago with too many spacers. You are a cheap huffy with neon Colnago STICKERS and too many spacers.
Get a Clue!!JBergland
Feb 27, 2003 7:22 AM
Nick,
"And although I appreciate the posts I know (not think) the coaches I have surrounding me know enough about what they are doing to not cause me to get injured."

I don't post here all that much, but you need to get a clue!! Any coach, and I mean ANY one, who has even 'weight tarining 101' under their belt knows how bad that 'exercise' you posted a pic of actually is!! Anyone considering that a legit lift, DON'T DO IT!!

Nick, I don't mind all that much your attention seeking posts... I don't have to read them. I don't mind you posting and 'talking' about cycling/racing experience I really don't think you have... I don't have to believe you. What I DO mind Nick, is you posting something that could really hurt someone if they tried it!! That is not a 'lift' that does anything but cause injury and no 'true' coach would ever recommend it!! Get A CLUE NICK!!
Excuse me... wheres your fricking kines degree?PODIUMBOUNDdotCA
Feb 27, 2003 11:42 AM
Weight lifting 101 is for people who will go into the weight room from being sedentary and be guaranteed of no risk of injury.

But where do I fit into this being 5'9 and a lean 190 lbs? I have great faith in my coaches. And unlike most people on this board I do go out and pay coaches to give me a program because I have aspirations of competiting on the international stage in the years to come. These coaches have seen me progress and know what I am capable of. Then their masters degrees speak of their qualifications. I specifically said for noone to try to mimick me and I posted it because I (and other people) think it is a cool picture.

So until you get your masters in your kines degree and have coached me for any length of time don't tell me what can and can't get me injured/what is and isn't an excercise. It is a legit lift but it is also a highly advanced lift that you need to progress into under a supervised weight program.

Nick
PodiumBound.ca
Like I said... get a clue!!JBergland
Feb 28, 2003 11:38 AM
Nick,
I can only assume you are trying to do a plyometric (or a weighted plyo??) in the pic you posted. Plyometrics are an exercise design to stimulate or stress a muscle (or group) and then have a quick contraction/extension. These exercises are done to develop predominately fast-twitch reactions... common with 'sprinters'. If not a plyo, it's your ordinary run-of-the-mill squat. The trouble is Nick, neither is being done correctly or safely!!

Plyos are typically done with boxes... jumping or bounding onto and off of them. It's also not uncommon to use plyos in striding drills. There was research done in the late 80s/early 90s with using weights (weighted vests) or machines to add to the resistance of plyometrics. The conclusions were that this is a bad idea. Body weight was more than enough resistance and when more was added, injuries started to occur. Most common injury areas were the shoulder, spine, and knees. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to take a look at your pic. and hypothesize where some injuries might occur. Plyos could be considered an advanced drill... more often used with younger athletes because of recovery rates and being less prone to injury. Now if it's a basic squat your trying to do... stop the jumping/hopping stuff and get in a squat rack/cage!!

Nick I seriously question any legitimacy of ANY coaching you are receiving. Either you are being coached by an uneducated/untrained person or you are just making bits and pieces up on your own. Either way, I find the pic. you posted concerning from the standpoint that it could injury anyone who tried it. It's even more concerning to me to hear you try and legitimize it as a prescribed lift or exercise!!
isn't there a "Leaper" machine just for this? nmDougSloan
Feb 28, 2003 1:52 PM
there's a safer waySpoiler
Feb 26, 2003 5:07 PM
http://t-mag.com/html/body_120squat.html
Is he preparing to jump the Great Wall? (NM)husker
Feb 27, 2003 6:26 AM
Are you trying to imply its a fake? (nm)PODIUMBOUNDdotCA
Feb 27, 2003 7:16 AM
I am - nmMJ
Feb 27, 2003 7:18 AM
Sorry next time I won't use 400 ISO... (nm)PODIUMBOUNDdotCA
Feb 27, 2003 2:06 PM