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Unorthodox positioning??(9 posts)

Unorthodox positioning??Raven1911
Feb 25, 2003 8:12 PM
I watched a track video with Graeme Obree from Scotland race a track event. He ended up shattering the men's pursuit event by seconds! They ended up saying his position was unorthodox and banned the position from future contests. My question is why? His bike appeared to be a normal bike, but he just rode on it weird. He had smaller handlebars and rode very forward on the bike. He later invented the superman position because he could not ride in the position he wanted. Not sure if they banned the superman position yet though.

So how does the committee decide when a position is "unorthodox" and which positions are not. How is Obree's position any different then say using aero bars? I say if someone can get into a position to increase their speed, why not let them do it? Any comments?

Raven
I think that you are on the wrong forum.........................MR_GRUMPY
Feb 25, 2003 8:43 PM
(nfm)PODIUMBOUNDdotCA
Feb 25, 2003 10:08 PM
The UCI banned any non-diamond bikes tooPODIUMBOUNDdotCA
Feb 25, 2003 10:07 PM
My take on it is all the rules basically just keeps the playing field level. The position Graeme Obree used was unorthodox and for many people would have been dangerous too! Also if you weren't able to use as aerodynamic a position since it was so insane then you were at a clear disadvantage. For example on the track to get the same technology as many world class sprinters it's easy to buy a Look track bike and Mavic wheels. But you need the skill to play with the big boys. With a position its much harder to refine if its matched for YOUR body.

Nick
PodiumBound.ca
WTF are you talking about? (nm)53T
Feb 26, 2003 7:15 AM
Ugh... I was kinda all over the place therePODIUMBOUNDdotCA
Feb 26, 2003 9:02 AM
The way I see it the UCI deemed any position that were too radical in nature banned. Anyone can fit into aerobars but not everyone can fit into a superman. Hence where an unfair advantage arises.

Nick
PodiumBound.ca
Though Obree was a bit of a pr!ck...brider
Feb 26, 2003 9:00 AM
I really got to hand it to him for innovation. Made his own machines. Stayed within the (existing at the time) rules and found ways to make himself faster. His original position was called the "egg," and Moser used it to try to break the hour record for over 40s. He didn't fare so well, and if I remember right, he crashed the first time he tried to ride in the "egg" position. I'd personally hate to see some one try to use this position in a road TT. I think the UCI position became that the bike contact points with the body had to be standardized, and they allowed the elbows/forearms for TTs and pursuits only. So Obree went with the "superman" position. Again, got his torso VERY low. Again, I'd hate to see some one try this for a road TT. The UCI then began the regulations on dimensions -- how far any part of the bike could be forward of the front hub, etc. At the same time, they started placing further regulations on the hour record bike.

I remember Boardman setting the hour record on the standard bike, and saying he'd NEVER try it again -- just too painful. I actulaly agree with the UCIs position on the hour record bike -- makes the record more a test of the rider. With things like pursuit, it's two individuals on similar (or at least they have access to similar) equipment, pitted against each other. Let technology be pushed in those events. But in something like the hour, when you look at the progress of the record, you only see the riders name listed. Let it remain a test of rider, and not technology.
AgreedPODIUMBOUNDdotCA
Feb 26, 2003 9:17 AM
The point you raised saying the hour record should only be on a regular bike is something I agree with. All you see is the name on paper so its not something technology should be able to influence. But at the same time the track should almost be standardized as well. Boardman holds the record but it makes me wonder in a head to head 1 hour pursuit who would win. It would be an amazing race to watch since they would be so close.

Nick
PodiumBound.ca
Different animalbrider
Feb 26, 2003 12:12 PM
Going head-to-head like that totally changes the nature of the race. Similar to the reasons that world records are rarely broken at the Olympics (in events like track and field and pursuit). You start racing the person you're up against instead of going for maximum distance (racing for place rather than time). It would indeed be an interesting race, however, as the distance would be unknown, but I suspect it would produce results lower than the current marks.