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Is Steel Real?(29 posts)

Is Steel Real?PBLed
Feb 25, 2003 4:22 PM
I keep on hearing how great steel is with it's attractive price tag, great ride, and long life - but I'm having a hard time to finding one.
What are the value packed steel frames that are still stiff for tall riders (6'4>) and race-worthy. It seems all the frames I find that fit the bill are way over a grand. This seem alot more than what a lighter, race ready Al frame would cost you (CAAD 5 for under $800, Orbea, Cinelli....)

So what gives?
how's $549?DougSloan
Feb 25, 2003 4:28 PM
Second Doug's recommendation (though it pains me...)cory
Feb 25, 2003 4:56 PM
I'm 6'4", too, and if I were looking for a new frame, that Gios would be it. I've been eying if for three or four years, even though I promised my wife the Atlantis would be the last bike I'd ever need....
no politics in bikes :-) nmDougSloan
Feb 25, 2003 8:15 PM
they do go up to 64cm...MIGHT fit a 6'4" person (nm0ColnagoFE
Feb 26, 2003 7:21 AM
how's $549?Iwannapodiumgirl
Feb 25, 2003 5:00 PM
Thanks Doug!

I have been trying to get my hands on a Pinarello Opera or Colnago Master Extralight without much luck... that Gios is a classic and a great price too...

Now the great dilemma - Carbon Record or Chorus... perhaps Chorus with Record cranks
nice bike -look at that seat angle though -steep!nmthe bull
Feb 25, 2003 6:51 PM
where is the geometry chart? (nm)Iwannapodiumgirl
Feb 25, 2003 9:10 PM
geometry chart @ nm)Leroy
Feb 25, 2003 9:26 PM
definitely need a setback seatpost (nm)laffeaux
Feb 26, 2003 11:39 AM
or for just a few $ more, a Gunnar Roadie made with 853 nmsprockets2
Feb 26, 2003 10:21 AM
$795 @ gvhbikes.comLeroy
Feb 25, 2003 5:06 PM
Dave Hickey just got a cinelli


I just built up a gios compact pro with a chrome fork. You have to see the compact pro in person to get the full impact of the blue finish with the chrome lugs. It was a hard choice. Both bikes are beautiful.
$795 @ gvhbikes.comgeeker
Feb 25, 2003 7:20 PM
Would the Cinelli Super Corsa be stiff enough in the larger frame sizes? I think they look great, but am afraid they'd be flexy (in 61cm c-c), with non-oversized Columbus Neuron tubing. I also wonder about GVH's larger Bassos, Viners and Landsharks re. flex. [I see that he's gotten a bunch of Colnago Master X-lights, but they're a bit pricey, and I think Colnago paint jobs are too ugly.]
Check out FortAaronL
Feb 25, 2003 6:03 PM
Go to

I have an RO Zona on order and had one before. For the money, it's a wonderful bike. I've got two aluminum bikes right now and I'm selling one to pay for the steel Fort.

I weigh 175 and ride a 58, and I've found that bike more than stiff.

Give Gregg a call and tell him Aaron sent you.
Can you wait for a frame???kamss
Feb 25, 2003 6:29 PM
i just got my custom ss mtn bike frame in from paul daniels at peyto cycles. it's a beauty. fillet brazed steel zona tubing, very light, yet stiff with an ultra-comfortable ride. i'll be ordering a road frame from him soon within the next week. price??? his prices start at about $500 for a zona frame, and he can exen spec you frane with carbon stays. if you're interested...check out, tell him kam sent ya.
nice looking framegtx
Feb 25, 2003 6:48 PM
two other custom options
Wow, that's a sweet frame?nmAmbishawn
Feb 25, 2003 7:54 PM
I like to think so....rwbadley
Feb 25, 2003 9:18 PM
The beauty of a lugged bike, and the knowledge that a craftsman put energy into building it.

Especially nowadays, it is nice to have a feeling of relationship to the builder of an item one will spend so much time enjoying.

'tho I will admit to liking the composite fork for road riding. It gives up a little in precise handling for an element of cush.

..steel forks are much more compliant than carbon IMHO. nmSpunout
Feb 26, 2003 4:27 AM
depends on the steel fork..ever ridden a Colnago Precisa? nmColnagoFE
Feb 26, 2003 7:23 AM
No, Colnago Master 1984 with steel forks..Spunout
Feb 26, 2003 7:44 AM
and I used to love watching the front axle flex a few inches back and forth over the railroad tracks. Closest thing to suspension!

My Lemond (Air Rail) carbon forks are buzzier, totally different ride.
I'm not sure compliance is the major factor here...rwbadley
Feb 26, 2003 8:08 AM
I do agree a good steel fork has fine character. I think some of the new and better designed carbon forks are able to be manufactured with an element of compliance, but also a damping factor that allows for good road feel while retaining tire adhesion.

I am looking at two forks, one a fine Columbus steel at 27 oz. the other a Kestral ems pro at 17 oz. The ten oz difference is nice, but not required. The Kestral fork allowed me to increase front tire pressure from 105 to 115 psi and increase comfort at the same time. The carbon fork handles really well, maybe >almost< as good as the steel fork, maybe even slightly better over choppy road surface in a corner.

They're all good, enjoy the ride,

re: Is Steel Real?tarwheel
Feb 26, 2003 5:30 AM
There are lots of good options for relatively inexpensive steel frames, you just have to know where to look. I've got a Gios Compact Pro that I've ridden 9000 miles over the past two years. Cost -- $600 frame and steel fork from Excellent riding frame and incredible chrome and paint.

You can find a wide selection of nice steel frames for good prices at As others mentioned, the Cinelli Supercorsa is worth a look as well as Viner, Casati and other brands he carries. Another shop that has a nice selection of steel frames is Cycles Bikyle in the Philly area,
I bought an Eddy Merckx Corsa 0.1 frame from him in December. These may no longer be in stock, but he has some beautiful Giordana frames for excellent prices as well as Pegoretti Pasolanto.

If the geometry fits, you might want to look at LeMond steel frames. You can order the Zurich, Buenos Aires and other frames by themselves, I believe, for much less than $1000. I would have bought a LeMond myself if their top tubes weren't so long.
Steel stealsjustina
Feb 26, 2003 7:37 AM
Pricepoint has the univega modo volare for ~$150 w/ carbon fork. I believe it's zona. Don't know much about it, looks like a good deal though. If you want race quality steel I do know that the KHS flite 800 is an outstanding ride. It can be had from Bikeswholesale for $300. It uses 853 in the main tubes (keeping weight ~3.25lbs.) and comes with a generic, but nice carbon fork, 1.125" head tube diameter as well. The web site says 52cm is the only size available, but give them a call, I did and they happened to have 1 56 for me. Rides like an IF for 20% the cost. Real good customer service too, which surprised me for a large online discount retailer.
The univega is a good dealLeroy
Feb 26, 2003 7:58 AM
It's columbus thron - not real light weight, but real, real smooth riding. I'm a big univega fan. It's worth a look.
Looked but couldn't find it at Pricepoint - hints? (nm)El Kabong
Feb 26, 2003 9:02 AM
They're out of production,Leroy
Feb 26, 2003 1:50 PM
so you just have to keep an eye out for them. Check the classifieds on RBR, check gvh bikes. good luck
eBay won't let you down...The Walrus
Feb 26, 2003 5:32 PM
...I don't think a week goes by when there aren't 3 or 4 Modo series bikes listed; right now there are 2 Volares and a Vivere.
Mar 2, 2003 7:47 AM