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New Shimano 10 speed(9 posts)

New Shimano 10 speedAhimsa
Feb 25, 2003 2:56 PM
So, what is the deal with Shimano and ten speed?

When is this supposed to happen?

Will it affect all groups or just DA?

What about MTB groups?

Why is this necessary?

Will riders finally rise up and say "Enough! We do not need this many gears!" ?

Will eleven speed be far behind?

How about twelve?

Where will it end?

How long before 9 speed is phased out and/or before it becomes hard to find decent parts?

-sigh-

A.
it just seems wrong...Akirasho
Feb 25, 2003 4:42 PM
... that there was no question about the airspeed of a swallow, African or European anywhere in your post...

Be the bike.
Awright then...Ahimsa
Feb 25, 2003 4:50 PM
What is your favorite color?

A.
re: New Shimano 10 speedPhatMatt
Feb 25, 2003 5:35 PM
Well since I have only been doing this road stuff for a couple of years I do not know what 5,6 or 7 speed is like. My first Road bike and MTB were both 8 spds in the rear end. How ever I do love my 9's. Since I am not a strong climber and do like my double a smoother stepping stack would be nice for range. But alas at the price of new groupo's I do not know I will ever get to play ith 10sp for a while.

Matt
re: New Shimano 10 speedwilier
Feb 25, 2003 6:47 PM
So, what is the deal with Shimano and ten speed?
--Competition - they need to keep up with campy

When is this supposed to happen?
--In the fall sometime

Will it affect all groups or just DA?
--If history is any indication, just Dura Ace and it will roll down in 1-2 years

What about MTB groups?
--Good question. Why did they bother doing XTR this year. My guess is that XTR is 2-3 years behind.

Why is this necessary?
--Who said it was necessary?

Will riders finally rise up and say "Enough! We do not need this many gears!" ?
--Been there, done that, nobody listens...

Will eleven speed be far behind?
--No

How about twelve?
--Maybe after 11

Where will it end?
--it won't. Hopefully, there will be new technology to replace the curent chain & cog system that's acceptable to racing governing bodies.

How long before 9 speed is phased out and/or before it becomes hard to find decent parts?
--Considering you can still get 8 speed stuff on eBay, you have quite a few years before stuff is hard to find.
re: New Shimano 10 speedAllUpHill
Feb 25, 2003 7:48 PM
I'd dispute that cog count will certainly increase without bound forever. The human capacity to desire and utilize more has to level off at some point. Afterall, closer spacing of your gears is nice, but it's not possible to have them at increments less than 1 tooth! And about range, a 27 tooth is the largest one could justify without going to a triple. So, imagine one day I can have a "straight-block" 11-27. That's "only" 17 cogs. You see, it has to stop somewhere ;-) Then, we'll turn our attention toward achieving a 1-spoke wheel.

I have to wonder what will be the agenda for the big S and C saying Ok, we give in, time to increase the rear hub width.

I understand that Shimano's 10 speed plans will remain within 130mm (but I don't know if it will need a new freehub body). I wasn't in the cycling world when the increase from 120mm took place, but I imagine it didn't cause a great uproar because people generally accepted that spreading a steel rear triangle was OK. Now that aluminum and carbon are commonplace, an increase will not be such an easy sell. But it will have to happen, maybe for 11, maybe for 12.

The spread of 1-1/8 inch headsets did not find frame obsolesence a big obstacle, but the number of cogs is a more sensitive topic than the size of the steer tube. Whenever the first hub-width increase does come about, manufacturers and retailers will have to be much more willing than usual continue to carry the n-minus-one speed parts for a number of years to follow.
Heh heh! Good points...Ahimsa
Feb 25, 2003 8:00 PM
Given all of that, is it any wonder that single speeds and fixtes are becoming so popular? Especially among younger riders.

Just like punk rock came along in the 70's to squash rampant musical masturbation, so must something emerge to kill this baby boomer obsession with more and more unecessary gears.

I guess the single speed/fixed movement is just that.

I will emerge from this a retro grouch for sure....cripes and I'm only thirty.

A. (Gimme gimme shock treatment)
Shimano would upgrade a single speed to a 3 speed.(nm)James
Feb 25, 2003 9:12 PM
10 speedsmapei boy
Feb 26, 2003 11:50 AM
From the early 1960's to the year 2000, I lived with five rear cogs. Then I got Campy Chorus and ten. Paradise! I'm always able to find an appropriate gear. I've always got an ace in the hole - a 29 tooth cog to get me up that hill when the ride gets too long and my legs are cramping. Let's drink a toast (perhaps some Extran?) to the Modern Age.