|so should I build new ride with 10sp Chorus or DA?||cyclopathic|
Feb 25, 2003 12:32 PM
|Got good deal on DuraAce but not sure if I really wanna do 9sp DA. Maybe I should juat wait when 11sp '04 is out.|
|Call me a purist, Italian frame = Campy (nm)||SantaCruz|
Feb 25, 2003 12:47 PM
Feb 25, 2003 12:55 PM
|Shimano is not making 11 speed just 10 speed. And if it were me I would get Campy. However, I have shimano but prefer Campy.
|Whatcha trying to do to my name ...||Humma Hah|
Feb 25, 2003 1:46 PM
|Humma Hah is my bike's name. My name is Tom Ligon!|
Feb 25, 2003 6:27 PM
|Well Tom my bike does not have a name,
but my last name is also Ligon
|Well, howdy, cousin! (nm)||Humma Hah|
Feb 26, 2003 6:54 AM
Feb 25, 2003 12:56 PM
|If your other equipment is Shimano 8 or 9 speed, you almost have to go with Shimano, so that you can swap wheels. If you have Campy, stick with it. If you don't have a bike now, why do you want to spend so much on something that isn't part of your life.|
Feb 25, 2003 1:26 PM
|any time I had same question I went with Shimano. Out of my current rides one is a randonneuring/part time commuting machine and second started as road but being used mainly as back up for fast semi-supported rides under 400mi.
The reason I picked Shimano I could always borrow parts (chains, wheels, etc) or I could buy something in any bike shop. If not road MTB will do fine thanks MTB break often and shops stock parts for them. Now imagine you're on ride were you're the only guy with Campy and you screwed your rear wheel, rear der, broke chain etc etc etc.. you see?
However this time is different. What complicates choice is first this bike is going to be pure road no aerobars/light mounting brackets etc. Second, DA is going to be updated in half year and if I get it I'll be stuck with old grouppo. So the aswer isn't as simple.
Feb 25, 2003 1:42 PM
|9 speed stuff will be around for years and years. I've read the Shimano claims the the new stuff will be backwards compatable. Do you want to be the first to test a brand new group ?|
|and now for the truly controversial answer...||lonefrontranger|
Feb 25, 2003 1:13 PM
|Which do you really prefer? Consider your answers to the following questions and use them as a score sheet in making your final decision. Consider also how much each question matters TO YOU (not to your ride buddies - to you personally). These are in no particular order:
1) Compatibility with your other bikes (where applicable)
2) Ergonomic preference (i.e. "Comfort")
3) Aesthetics (you will have to look at it daily after all)
7) Value (Cost over long term factored by #s 1 and 4-6)
8) Gee-whiz factor / snob factor / "karma" factors (IOW tho being a confirmed Campag snob, I would still put period DA on an old Motorola Merckx or Caloi team frame because that's what's appropriate to the "soul" of the bike)
9) Functionality, tho differences in functionality at the levels you're considering are darn near imperceptible
10) Finally, and probably most important, the "vote of the heart". Taking all the practical considerations, which do you REALLY want, all others being equal.
Feb 25, 2003 3:48 PM
|you suppose to make choice easier, not more complicated
men are simple creatures they don't like to be confused.
O'k this is the scoop:
Value/compatibility wise I'd better stuck with Ultegra.. and maybe(!) /though I will never admit/ I just say maybe I don't really need yet another bike to 5 I got.
Agree with you even lower end road components work close to perfect esp if you keep them out of wet and do maintenance, so it is down to cost, durability and of cause snob factor. and snob's longing for Record; Campy is much nice to look at.
Speaking of snobs and Campy I have a Campy friend who on question about bike problem (not just drivetrain ANY problem) usually asks what components bike has. If he hears Shimano he usually screams: "that's the problem"
Ergonomic wise I love Campy when I ride hoods and I like Shimano when I am in drops.. so the natural choice is Shimpagnolo..
what am I suppose to do now?
Feb 26, 2003 6:09 AM
|I'm also trying not to let my personal biases affect my answers. For perspective I've ridden just about every damn thing made in the last 25 years including Suntour and Sachs Maillard, and every line Shimano makes from Exage to STX to XTR to Sora to Dura Ace. It all works, and works quite well too, even the knackered old 105 stuff my 'cross bikes used to wear that I feel performed far beyond its design specifications. It's a good value and readily available everywhere in the U.S. I did tire of constantly replacing the weak return springs in the rear mechs regardless of line and the STI shifters never fit my hands properly and tend to gunk up and freeze in the types of riding I do. I play hard on my toys, and was a Campag nut from the beginning, so Campag was the natural choice for me.
Your answers to MR Grumpy above on compatibility and easy availability of parts, plus your considerations of value lead me to say you are the practical type who might should stick with the DuraAce but...
If you don't try the Chorus, you will never know what you are missing :) I don't personally buy into your reasoning of 10 vs. 9 speed, BTW. You'll be able to find 9-speed stuff for years and the newer stuff will most likely be backwards compatible. As far as ready availability of replacement parts for Campag, well - if you break down in some po-dunk Arizona town, their MTB specific LBS probably won't be able to help you out, that's certain. Excel is merely a phone call away however. And you know you will always be able to fix your Campag stuff instead of having to resort to buying a new piece, as the company stocks replacement parts for even their 20 year old stuff.
Feb 25, 2003 1:31 PM
Feb 25, 2003 2:25 PM
|This board would not be the same if someone didn't chime in to say that you had to buy the most expensive thing there is, or at least the next most expensive thing. So here it is, you must buy Record. End of discussion. Now ignore this entirely.|
|re: so should I build new ride with 10sp Chorus or DA?||dave_w|
Feb 25, 2003 2:52 PM
|I think I just read that the new DA stuff is going to be 10 not 11 spd, if that makes any diff.|
|a vote for the campy...nm||zooog|
Feb 25, 2003 4:15 PM
|never ridden Campy, but have not ever had problmes w/my Shimano||PhatMatt|
Feb 25, 2003 5:24 PM
Feb 25, 2003 9:26 PM
|Give it a try.
I notice the Chorus seems to have better braking power and modulation. The cranks are a thing of beauty. The rear hub is a little louder (no biggie) The shifting may be more positive (or not as smooth)
The Shimano shifters seem more intuitive at first than ergo, but you get used to either one.
Go for it. The worst that happens is you take a small loss at the secondary market...