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Still having foot warmth issues...(11 posts)

Still having foot warmth issues...noveread
Feb 24, 2003 8:02 AM
It's been a long winter. On the biright side, I am now very confident in my clothing choices from 15deg and up. Below 15 I know what to wear to be warm, but it's getting a bit ridiculous at that point!

However, I am still having problems with my feet. And I'm using toe warmers! This last ride I had a medium weight wool sock with the toe warmer and then neoprene booties. I even let the toe warmer get very warm before I put it on my sock and put on my shoe. By the end of the ride, not only were my feet cold, but the toe warmer was very cold too! And it was only 2 hours! After I got back, I left the warmers on the counter for a while and they never seemed to recover! My feet did as a result of a hot shower!

Argh, I'm very frustrated. If I could just get my feet figured out I'd be much happier. Winters are long in Wisconsin, supposed to be one of our coldest nights of the year tonight (thankfully I'm on a rest cycle the early part of this week).

I'm running out of ideas. Next I am going to try the toe warmer but not a wool sock, but a cycling sock (maybe a cycling wool sock, maybe) along with the booties. If that doesn't work, I'm going to drop the booties. Now that just doesn't seem right does it?

Any suggestions out there?

Noveread
re: Still having foot warmth issues...Spunout
Feb 24, 2003 8:14 AM
A little less, perhaps?

I freeze my feet all the time skiing, must be very careful now. The problem was sweat. In the first 15 minutes, my feet sweat and half an hour later were frozen. If I came back, changed my socks, I'd be fine for the rest of the day.

Maybe you are too warm. Try some higher-tech insulating socks. Put them on just before you ride, don't wait inside too long getting hot. Bring another pair of socks along and change them as soon as you feel your feet getting cold.

Ask your doctor, but go on Aspirin 81 daily therapy. Improves circulation.
I read on one site that road shoes are the culpritKristin
Feb 24, 2003 8:18 AM
The cleat allows some air to sneak around it and into the sole of the shoe, where it cools the metal shank inside which cools your foot. I'm going to try putting on platform pedals and riding with my Solomons. Anyone know where I can get big ass platforms and toe clips? My snowshoeing boots are not dainty by any stretch.
warmers should last longer than 2 hoursJS Haiku Shop
Feb 24, 2003 8:31 AM
mine were still warm after i forgot and came back to them 2 hours after a 3 hour ride this weekend. perhaps a bad batch of warmers.

other than that, check that your shoes are not too tight.

other wisdom from this forum is to have head and torso warm and hands & feet will stay warm as well.

agree with kristin, too--duct tape over cleat holes inside of shoes.

good luck.
re: Still having foot warmth issues...varmit
Feb 24, 2003 8:56 AM
If your shoes are too tight, due to the thick socks and toe warmers, your feet will get cold. You must have some room in your shoes. If your feet sweat and dampen your socks, your feet will tend to get cold. Also, from my own experience working outside all day long, The best way to maintain foot warmth is to keep your legs warm. The feet have a fairly low volume of circulation and are at the max distance of the ciculatory system. A persons legs have a huge percentage of a bodies surface area where heat can be lost. Trap more of this heat and your legs SHOULD be warmer.
Good luck
As a Sprinter....PODIUMBOOB_DOT_CA
Feb 24, 2003 9:28 AM
Nah but really...

To insulate, you need dead space in there. You need pockets of undisturbed air, which your body will warm up. That's how blankets and jackets work.

Too tight=no pocket of warmed air= body heat conducted through the show and taken away. Also, the shoes are vented, so if you can plug those up, you should be good to go.

The heaters may have died because you pushed the rxn towards the product side too quickly by adding too much air through the vents of the cleats. Maybe.

I have had great luck with these thin sucks from Columbia
http://www.columbia.com/images/styles/SOCK80_l.jpg. Maybe they will help.

If all else fails, I think you should look for a good spin instructor like me.
re: Still having foot warmth issues...marco_esq
Feb 24, 2003 9:29 AM
Have you tried a winter shoe? Northwave makes a winter road shoe that sells for about $125. I have used a pair of these this winter here in Massachusetts and have not had the foot warmth problems that I had previously suffered with any combination of socks/shoes/booties.
Here are some suggestionsK-Man
Feb 24, 2003 10:51 AM
I have zero problems riding in the cold other than it has always been my feet that have held me up. This year I think I finally have solved the problem. I have been able to put in 3 hour rides in starting temperatures in the mid teens and ending in the mid 20's.

Key factor is using shoes a size larger than normal. The main culprit for cold feet is lack of blood circulation, tight shoes will always cause cold feet. Also the best shoes to use are solid leather, if your shoes have mesh make sure to duct tape the mesh closed.
Thin layer of wicking socks, thicker wool or thermal type socks.
****Put a plastic bag between your shoes and neoprean booties, this will keep the wind and cold air out.

KMan
My respectIan
Feb 24, 2003 11:31 AM
All of you that ride in that type of weather have my respect. I live in FL and I really don't know if I could ride in 15 degree weather.

But anyway, I do have some ideas. First let's start with the socks. Go to your local outdoor / hiking store. Make it a small independent one, not a large chain since I'm not sure what lines the chains carry. Ask for Wigwam socks. Get a pair of InGenius Hikers. They are a new sock that uses an Olefin (moisture wicking) inner layer and a Merino Wool outer layer. 99.9% percent of the people who buy this sock will use it for hiking, but you may be a good exception.

Then go to your LBS, one that carries Sidi. Sidi has a winter specific shoe, two actually, one road and one off-road. Try that on with your new socks. You will obviously need to buy a bit larger than you usually would, since you will have on a thicker sock. And like other posts said, make sure you have a bit of wiggle room.

Now you can cover up with whatever bootie you prefer and have a good ride.

Ian
Thanks...noveread
Feb 24, 2003 1:53 PM
Thanks for all the suggestions. I actually had planned on getting a pair of winter shoes, but, well, then I found this frame...

Oh well, my feet will just have to make do until next winter b4 I can get the winter shoes! They will be stylin' on the new ride this spring/summer/fall though!

For my next outdoor ride this weekend I'll try the duct tape over the vents, the baggie over the shoe and have a second pair of socks along on the ride...

And hey, it's supposed to be a balmy 38 degrees on Saturday! Though that forecast is likely to change between now and then...

Noveread
re: Still having foot warmth issues...rogue_CT1
Feb 24, 2003 1:57 PM
Maybe try the Sidi thermal shoes. I found them on e-bay. They are fleece lined and water proof kind of like a combo between riding shoes and shoe booties. Then add a set of shoe covers if needed.