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New Era of Frames?(20 posts)

New Era of Frames?LeGrimper
Feb 23, 2003 2:04 PM
If you were going to build up a bike, with climbing and general road racing in mind what frame would you use?

Just for simplicity I would add all Dura-Ace and Zip 303 wheels, ITM bits and an Era saddle.

What are the current light frames? i.e. TCR alloy around 950g or the Scott Pro SC7000 around 1050g

How about the new Teschner 'U2 X-lite' in Dedacciai 'U2 aluminium tubing checking in at 735grams!

Is this too light for real use and hard road racing (not really a crit machine).

Opinions please on what you would choose and build up with.
Thanks
LeGrimp.
re: New Era of Frames?gtx
Feb 23, 2003 2:25 PM
I'd get the Titus Drop-U. Reasonably priced at $800, US-made, high quality, company is known for great warranty and customer service, and it's very light (don't know exact weight).
Skewer alert!!!hycobob
Feb 23, 2003 4:34 PM
On the possibility of sounding elitist...that front wheel's skewer is backwards. The front tire is mounted OK. Not a big deal unless you want to be laughed at and ridiculed relentlessly by a bunch of elitist bikers.
lolgtx
Feb 23, 2003 5:05 PM
Yeah, I noticed that after I posted. Pretty funny. Titus is primarily a mtb company, so anyone who buys this frame won't get many points with the Euro snobs anyway. I say ride in black socks, but put the QR back on the drive side.
doh!gtx
Feb 23, 2003 5:07 PM
I meant put the QR back on the non-drive side. Been doing too much painting today I guess...
too late you're bustedcyclopathic
Feb 23, 2003 5:18 PM
I'll bet you have a visor on your helmet too 8-P
no disposo aluminum!BergMann
Feb 23, 2003 3:50 PM
I'd go with the Trek USPS Superlight 110 frame & fork, which has a lifetime warranty, so I don't have to toss it in the can after a single season.

I'd then build it up with Dura-Ace, Chris King/Mavic wheels (28 radial front, 32 rear, butted spokes, alum. nips), Easton carbon post and bars, SLR seat, & Ritchey stem.
Depending on frame size, this build should be under 16 lbs.
If you shop around, you can build a ride like this for about $3500!

If cost is no object, drop $500 for Storck carbon cranks (Power Arms Pro) and save a quarter lb. or more.
re: speaking of TCRcyclopathic
Feb 23, 2003 4:26 PM
how about carbon? it's a bit lighter then Al; and isn't as harsh you won't get beat up as much. I would build it with Campy you can get Chorus 10 speed build kit overseas for ~700$
re: New Era of Frames?ASiegel993
Feb 23, 2003 6:19 PM
If you want to go the absolute lightest you can possibly go, I think the frame you're mentioning is a good choice.

-For a fork, go with the Alpha Q Sub-3.
-Groupset, well, record is about 30g lighter than D-A... and you'd want a down-tube shifter on the front derailer to save weight there.
-Bar/Stem/Seatpost... you mentioned ITM. The Stem and a Uniko bar would be crazy light. Don't know about seat-post.
-Wheels. Zipp 303s are a good choice, just make sure you get the tubulars.
-Random bits. Check out things like M2 Racer's Orb pedals (at supergo) and their super-lightweight cranks.

I'm sure if you were that intent on it, you could get that frame as low as 12 lbs built up possibly.

One thing. Your name is bothersome to me. It should be "LeGrimpeur" if you're speaking proper french. "Grimper" is a verb. Fitting how you ask about a climbing bike though...

-Siegel
One day someone had to pick it upLeGrimper
Feb 23, 2003 8:34 PM
Hey Seigel

Thanks for your point of view and must say Im pleased you have commented on the tag.

The thing is, its a play on the word. The resason there is no U in it is

because U dont figure in my climbing, Im over the hills and far away.

ha ha

L'amuse non?
LeGrimp
Incroyable! You've touched base with two of my loves... French and Led Zeppelin (Over the Hills and Far Away). I must say, that's a pretty clever play on words. It did make me chuckle, something I rarely do while reading internet forums. After all, who really does LOL? Do you speak French? If all goes as I hope it will, I'll be spending next year going to school in France. Maybe I'll race against that Arnaud kid (the Jr. World Champ)... and get my arse kicked. A Bientot! (dommage qu'on ne peut pas ajouter les accents) -SiegelASiegel993
Feb 24, 2003 4:34 PM
approved
sorry. don't know what happened there. nmASiegel993
Feb 24, 2003 4:36 PM
re: New Era of Frames?mghwk
Feb 23, 2003 8:33 PM
You'll need a spirit guide or two which can keep up with your climb. I suggest the following. If they start flapping, you would easily be under the UCI weight limit.
re: New Era of Frames?mghwk
Feb 23, 2003 8:38 PM
oops, pic...sorry for width.
Photo Caption Contest Candidate!js5280
Feb 23, 2003 9:15 PM
At the count of 3, we both pull.

1. . .2. . .3!

Nice raptors you got there. . .
ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFULLazywriter
Feb 23, 2003 10:24 PM
birds of prey. I have a soft spot for them. Very cool shot. If it were a little sharper, I would make it wallpaper but I saved it nonetheless. Do you have more pictures of them?
Can send if you likemghwk
Feb 23, 2003 11:40 PM
Let me know if you want a copy, original is about 700k jpg. Rusty is more comfortable in the early season on that flite saddle than I am. Thanks, btw.
mghwk@qwest.net
Please -send me the 700kb versionmla
Feb 25, 2003 10:56 AM
I'd love the 700k version of thet .jpg. It a great shot!!
Thanks for sharing.
Mark

mla@obec.com
manning of hawksdotkaye
Feb 24, 2003 12:04 PM
gorgeous pic.. do falconers still man the birds the old way ?

Quote from Gervase Markham on the subject: "All hawks generally are manned after one manner, that is to say, by watching and keeping them from sleep, by a continual carrying of them upon your fist, and by a most familiar stroking and playing with them, and by often gazing and looking of them in the face, with a loving and gentle countenance, and so making them acquainted with the man. "

though I'd've expected a falconer would have a nice retrogrouchy steel bike, not that newfangled carbon.. heh.
manning of hawksmghwk
Feb 24, 2003 9:00 PM
LOL, actually this is my brand new bike. I won't go into detail about the nifty 531 frame in the garage. Can I steal the retrogrouchy term? I released a nice tiercel prarie falcon a couple of years ago named "Groucho."

I would say that a majority of falconers "wake" fresh caught passage birds in the traditional style you outlined above, with a few modern twists: DVD player, lots of movies, and time in the basement until the bird finally feels secure enough to bend down and take a piece of food from the glove. Manning the bird is a continual process which involves exposing them to all manner of distractions until they eventually will fly 1/2 mile in the field at the end of the hunt to wait for you on top of your bicycle. I'll have to post some pics of the Burley trailer/MTB combo with bird box and perches inside.

Falconry season is September-February, cycling season is March-August. Here in Utah, there are at least 4 falconer/cyclists that I am aware of. Anymore out there?

Thanks for Asking