|Lance and Kristin Armstrong seperate --not a joke post||teoteoteo|
Feb 21, 2003 4:36 PM
|This just popped up in local paper today. Saw no news elsewhere yet but according to story Lance and Kristin are split up.
|WOW, I am surprised at this!!!!!||Lazywriter|
Feb 21, 2003 4:54 PM
|Goes to show you that monogamy is only for roughly 5% of all mammalian species. I gues Lance gets to show his nut to all the lovely ladies now.|
|you're rude nm||DougSloan|
Feb 21, 2003 5:02 PM
Feb 21, 2003 7:30 PM
|Feeding on the negative, (all you've ever done) suck it up because it's pig troff time !.|
|LOL, that's funny. nm||climbo|
Feb 21, 2003 7:40 PM
|I nominate thee||Kristin|
Feb 22, 2003 7:55 AM
|Hey Marlin Perkins||Spoiler|
Feb 22, 2003 3:43 PM
|We haven't heard from you in a while. I guess with all the people filling up the board with legitimate questions and posting ideas on actual riding, you haven't had any reason to open your twisted mouth. It's good to see you're keeping a sharp eye out for opportunities to pollute the place.|
|Relationships more difficult than winning tour and beatng cancer||curtybirdychopper|
Feb 21, 2003 5:18 PM
|I'm sure his marriage would be healthy if he spent as much time on it as on the bike. But we can only presume.|
Feb 21, 2003 7:28 PM
|do you assume that the problem is how much he works on the relationship? It could just as easily by a problem with her committment.
|I agree with Curty... heres why I think its happening||PODIUMBOUNDdotCA|
Feb 21, 2003 9:21 PM
|I know of at least 3 marriages with cyclists who either competed at the international level or had something to do with international racing that forced them to travel and be away from home a lot... sometimes months at a time.
Combine this with a marriage, very young kids and a career which had already reached as high as it was going to the option of retirement was chosen. Its understandable... the father wants to be around his kids and see them grow up and the wife wants him to be around.
In Lance's case this issue may not have been able to be resolved with his wife. He already missed a lot of his sons first 3 years and now with the twins it looks like the same thing may happen. People will always remember Lance whether he stopped at 4 wins or 6 and his bank book is probably already doing very well... the only thing that will differ is the history book so now he's putting a lot on the line to miss the twins growing up.
Not to be gossipy but doing the math I think that could be a huge factor in them seperating. I hope they get things sorted out.
|I agree with Curty... heres why I think its happening||Rob Sal|
Feb 22, 2003 10:32 AM
|It makes you wonder how riders that compete for pretty much the entire season cope with their relationships!!|
Feb 22, 2003 11:51 AM
|I know just my mom gets frustrated at my dad because he works a fair ammount of overtime. He's making a lot more money than if he didn't work it but still she's upset. Now compound this by travelling away and/or extending his career to set a record when he's already made his mark and I can see where the problem lies!|
|Guaranteed to win 5, now||fracisco|
Feb 21, 2003 5:26 PM
|Every guy that I know that has been through a break-up/separation/divorce has poured a lot of their energy into their riding.
Lance will be an animal this year.
Feb 21, 2003 6:23 PM
Like many couples, we have recently experienced difficulty in our marriage. We are working through these sensitive issues in the same way we have met other challenges in our life: together with determination and dedication.
We may experience a period of time apart from each other as we reflect on our relationship and work to preserve and protect the interests of our family and children.
We are like any other couple, except that we live in the spotlight of constant media attention, which makes working through his situation even more difficult. So, we particularly respect and appreciate any and all considerations for our privacy as we work through this difficult period in the months ahead.
Lance and Kristin Armstrong
We all deal with stress and pressure. How many of us would deal effectively with the pressure they must feel?
|I'm sending major vibes.||Sintesi|
Feb 22, 2003 1:36 AM
|They must reconcile. Breaks my heart to see these two separate. Lance needs to look deeply into Kik's eyes again. That would melt any man's hard heart. What A lady. What great looking kids. F the TdF.|
|Can one be TOO focused??||MJCBH|
Feb 22, 2003 5:45 AM
|It's unfortunate to see the two separated after all that they have been through - but unfortunately the Armstrong's are no different than the rest of us in the sense that we all have problems! And while I will forever be a Lance fan, I've noticed a somewhat "selfish" (or TOO competitive focus) amongst a few elite professional athletes.
Michael Jordan first retired in '93 to "sart being unselfish and spend more time with the family". Months later has was off again, without his family, quenching his competitive appetite to play baseball. And looking where he is at now (separated with wife as well) apparently family wasn't quite as important as the competitiveness of sport.
I am huge fans of both Lance and Michael, and don't want to sound like I am making judgements on their personal lives, it's just been interesting to see how different situations affect people. It's all a matter of perspective and deciding what matters most I guess!
Best of luck to them as they work through their differences!
|I wish them well||DougSloan|
Feb 22, 2003 6:59 AM
|I hope they work it out. Their story is so nice, it would be a shame to see it end badly, especially with the 3 kids.
Somehow, and this is just as much gross speculation as anyone, I doubt it's about the bike. Riding is Lance's job, and I doubt he spends any more time at that than most of us do at our jobs. Likely has nothing to do with riding. As they said, it's probably much of the same issues many of us have in our relationships. I doubt it's about money, though. :-)
|Doug, do you have a||Lazywriter|
Feb 22, 2003 9:28 AM
|VAGINA????? Seriously, you watch way too much Oprah. So sensitive and caring, aaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. Act like a man for Christ sake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Odds are, he was getting some poontang on the side. Other than that, what could his wife be upset about. She realizes what his job entails and benefits from his success, immensely. Lance hasn't been able to capitalize on his new found fame (post cancer)and he is tempted daily by more beautiful women than his scrawny looking wife. He was a player back in the day and like most men, WE ARE AS FAITHFUL AS OUR OPTIONS.
Now, you can give me a politically correct response, but all you need to do is look at most powerful and famous men and they invariably have left their first wives. Everyone form Martin Luther King to Clinton were unfaithful because as they became more powerful, their OPTIONS increased. Even you right wing Christian Fundamentalist self righteous hipocritical motherf$%Kers are amongst the worst although you preach a good game. (Fallwell, Baker etc).
People invariably grow apart more than they grow together and other than his children, if his wife isn't getting his one nut in a knot anymore, she's got to go.
Feb 22, 2003 10:03 AM
|I disagree. Not all people are "as faithful as their options." I suppose if you put sexual pleasure above all else this would be your thinking. But, I believe there are many, many people who look to more important things (irrespective of your list of examples). I hope the Armstrongs work things out. I am really sad to hear of their separation.|
|Do you have a doctorate in the psychology of the rich and famous||serbski|
Feb 22, 2003 1:21 PM
|...? I won't get into every fallacious aspect of your psuedo Howard Stern take on this topic (don't start, I'm a Howard fan) but your main point about every man leaving the first wife/girlfriend is not off base. However, Armstrong played the field, broke up with the (very attractive) cancer-era girlfriend and was hardly a nobody when he met his current wife. Granted, he was not the TdF King Of All Cyclists at the time but I imagine that a twenty-something millionaire athlete could have had his pick of "poontang" to get his "one nut in a knot" (your way with the English language is something else). The usual scenario with the first wife getting dumped involves a wife who has been with the now famous man from *very* early on, most always pre-any type of success. I think you grossly oversimplify the situation when you just put it in terms of "getting laid", not to mention that it makes you sound like a man who finds his own "options" rather limited. Even Maxim magazine would have a more insightful view on this subject...|
Feb 22, 2003 2:21 PM
|I am not saying it is simply about getting laid, but there are studies that show that 63%-80% of all men have been at some point unfaithful in their marriages (which is believed to be underreported btw). This number increases significantly when you factor in the more wealthy and powerful men. There are no absolutes, but if you guys want to believe that I am off base on this one, well go ahead, but I guarantee none of you would bet you last $$$ that I am wrong.
I could give a sh$% about whether Lance remains married or not. However, I am a big proponent of not remaining in a bad relationship simply beause of children or financial dependence which is why most of the masses stay together.
Hear me out, if 52% of marriages end in divorce (fact) despite all the "death due us part" crap, how hany of the remaining 42% were a. married once before making their initial vows meaningless and b. really happily married???????? Happily married is becoming an oxymoron of sorts.
That is why I view Hollywood marriages as more realistic, because these people can afford to divorce when the passion is gone. Most of the hard working hardons cannot afford divorce and stay in crappy marriages and their options are not as vast as women are not throwing themselves at these guys.
Men are as faithful as their options (for the most part). This idea of monogamy is an ideal that women have pumped into American men based on fears of reprisal in court. Go to most other parts of the world and you see that men are not monogamous. Italian and French men in particular. We are a bunch of Oprah fed emasculated fairies in this country that are pressured to get married but who invariably wind up cheating or getting hooked on pornography in order to get through sexless marriages. Now some of you guys can recite instances to the contrary, but the statistics are on my side. Divorce rate and men's infidelity rates are factual, read the Kinsey, Hite and Masters and Johnsons studies. Even the younger women nowadays are adopting a more male view on sexuality btw. Many of your women are gonna be unfaithful fellas. These are just facts. Look at the way college girls act now compared to 40 years ago. If you don't see this, you are in denial. Sodom and Gamorrah baby.
|With Lazy, it's a family practice.||Spoiler|
Feb 22, 2003 3:56 PM
|Lazy learned everything he knows about broken relationships from his parents. I'm sure he can help me out by quoting studies explaining how anti-social types like himself invariably come from broken homes where the parents got married for all the wrong reasons and/or didn't have the intestinal fortitude to work with another person to make it last.
Finally, he's found a topic where he is truly an expert! Maybe he can draw further upon personal experience and tell us all the ways the children will become hopelessly fvcked up.
|LOL, if you think that my||Lazywriter|
Feb 22, 2003 4:46 PM
|views are not based on reality then you are just a simpleton. We aren't talking Norman Rockwell, but your neighbors, cousins coworkers etc.. Talk to your male friends who confide in you and see how many will admit to infidelities or behaviors that can be constured as such.
Working it out and simple growing apart are two entirely different things. Fact is, I am in a 16 year relationship with my girlfriend but I still am insightful enough and intelligent enough to look beyond my immediate circumstance to see societal patterns. I am monogamous but would love to have been raised in a time when orgies and complete debauchery were acceptable and free of disease. God, that would be great. At least I admit it and please don't tell me that you would prefer monogamy over numerous partners there were no negative repercussions. Thank God for porno. Oh, and you are an a$$hole who knows nothing of me.
|LOL, if you think that my||Spoiler|
Feb 22, 2003 6:32 PM
|Of course your views are based on reality, your own reality that is unique to you. Instead of forcing your reality on the outside world, learn to embrace your uniqueness :)
So if you're friends took your advice and confided in you, they'd hear you admit to infidelities that you wouldn't admit to in this forum? Come on. We all friends here. Open up.
|Yeah, you are right, there is no infidelity amongst||Lazywriter|
Feb 22, 2003 10:34 PM
|men in our country. Celebrity marriages do not often break up becuase of infidelities. Please, read a book on the subject and then talk your sh$# you cocky bastar!. Men are as faithful as their options and you my friend probably have no options other than the pig you are with, so you hold onto her for grim death. I piss on your head.|
|SQUAWK!, faithful as their options, SQUAWK! faithful as their op||Spoiler|
Feb 23, 2003 10:43 AM
|Do you make yourself sound like a petulant parrot on purpose?
For your information, I read "Star", "People", and "The National Inquirer" faithfully. What I have learned is that if Whitney and Bobby Brown can make it work, anybody can.
Anger, that's good. Your starting to feel some genuine emotions. When you're ready to make some more progress, may I suggest reading "Love" by Leo Buscaglia.
|It could be something more simple....||Bruno S|
Feb 22, 2003 2:40 PM
|for example, maybe Lance wants to take the kids to Europe while training and Kristin wants them in the USA. Maybe Lance hangs out with his friends and mother too much time. Maybe she wants to live in CA and he wants to live in TX. Who knows? No every breakup has to be Hollywood/Washington style and involve sex.
Or maybe he wants to be alone to concentrate in histraining and asure the 5th Tour.
Feb 22, 2003 6:51 PM
|Either you're trolling or just immature and rude. Maybe some day you'll realize the difference between being rude and being a man. For your sake, I hope you're trolling.
|It sounds like a lot of people I know, but worse . . .||ms|
Feb 22, 2003 10:19 AM
|The Armstrong family situation sounds like the situations of a lot of people I know who have had marriage problems -- husband/dad has a high powered, demanding job with lots of travel, wife/mom is at home with small kids. The wife is at the end of her rope, the only way the husband will change is if he is given an ultimatum -- the marriage or a change in the job/travel. Lance is in a more difficult position than most people -- he can't shift some of his duties to a colleague or get a transfer to a job with less travel, there is only one way to perform his "job" -- winning the TdeF -- and that is to continue doing that which he has done for the past four years. The Armstrong's situation is exacerbated by the fact that they live in the eyes of the media and cannot resolve their problems privately. Also, even if Lance has been faithful to Kristin, the fact of the separation and his fame/fortune will bring lots of temptation his way, much more than most thirtysomething guys with three kids and a problemed marriage face. The Armstrongs' separation may help put in perspective the quick exit of other Americans from the pro peloton last year (i.e., Livingston and Vaughters). Only Lance and Kristin really know what their problems are and whether they can be resolved. I wish both of them luck. And, in the meantime, I hope that the media and the rest of us give them some breathing room and privacy -- they need it.|
|Lets not assume anything||Kristin|
Feb 22, 2003 11:26 AM
|I hear you saying that you hope the media gives them some space and privacy, yet a bunch of on a public forum are tyring to psycho analize their marraige--depspite the fact that no one here knows them even as aquaintences. Is this not an invasion of privacy as well?
We don't have any idea whats is going on between this couple to make them separate. Perhaps it has something to do with cycling, but we don't know that. And it seems that they are not inviting the public into thier issues to scrutinize them. So how about WE also offer them some privacy and grace by expressing out feelings on the matter (I'm sad, or I wish them the best) without trying to analyze their marraige. None of us are qualified nor have been invited to do this.
|You're right, but||ms|
Feb 22, 2003 3:17 PM
|I think that speculation by people like those of us on this board who have no actual knowledge is different than hints, comments, "exclusives," etc. by friends, co-workers, neighbors, etc. That is what I mean by invasion of privacy. However, you have a point. Enough said.|
Feb 22, 2003 11:46 AM
|I won't pretend to know anything more about LA than I do about marriage. Very little, in both cases. But here are my thoughts:
Had Lance been unfaithful, the French media would have picked it up.
If the problem was Lance's time away from home, Kristin shouldn't have been surprised. He has 2 or 3 more years then he's all hers.
Lance thrives on adversity, but breakups take a big mental toll. I doubt this will help is season in any way.
That said, I believe Lance will be committed to training and the TDF and won't have a problem resisting the temptations (they aren't new, just his status)this year.
Oh yeah, and Lance ought to publicly denounce George W. Bush's foreign policy. It's not going to be safe out there on the road.
|re: Lance and Kristin Armstrong seperate --not a joke post||mackgoo|
Feb 22, 2003 2:23 PM
|I think this is very sad. I'm curious why the procycling E mail news hasn't picked it up yet.|| |