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For diehard Campy fans only...(26 posts)

For diehard Campy fans only...DougSloan
Feb 21, 2003 7:30 AM
For the diehard Campy fans, is there *anything* Shimano could offer that could cause you to switch?

A free DuraAce group? nmKristin
Feb 21, 2003 7:46 AM
Nope. nmSpunout
Feb 21, 2003 7:51 AM
Beauty and finish...unchained
Feb 21, 2003 8:32 AM
If they produced a groupo with superior looks and finish I would be sold.

I like the fact that current DuraAce is still avail. with 9 speed D/T shifters as an option. Not so with Campy.
So just make it look better than Campy, and I will buy.

To me, cycling is about art and function.
Beauty and finish...kilimanjaro
Feb 21, 2003 10:38 AM
Actually, you can still get Record 9 speed D/T shifters at and at You can also get parts online to convert the Record 9 speed D/T shifter to 10 speed. Altough the campy D/T shifters will cost between $80 to $100 dollars while I have seen the Dura Ace D/T shifters for as low as 19.99.

Peace and out.
D/T Shiftersunchained
Feb 21, 2003 1:21 PM
Yes, but the Campy D/T shifters only work with the pre-2001 derailleurs.
Re: Question on Campy 9spd D/T Shifterskilimanjaro
Feb 21, 2003 2:15 PM
The incompatibility is only with 2001- 9 spd RD? What about ExaDrive vs UltraDrive cassettes? I would suspect that if you swap out the D/T index cog then the D/T shifter would work fine with current 10 spd RD.

I am saving up to build a custom cross next year (God and more importantly wife willing) with Racing T and 9 spd D/T mounted on Kelly takeoffs. I guess short of making sure that the RD is pre-2001 I would need to buy the D/T index cog from Branford and go 10 spd or ... sigh go Shimano.

Thanks and regards,

Some answers.unchained
Feb 21, 2003 7:38 PM
Older 9 speed rear derailleurs are often on eBay. The 2000 and down Record is easy to spot, because it lacks carbon. I believe that any 9 speed derailleur with "Campagnolo" written in script is pre 2001. 2000 may be tougher to spot because they went to the newer graphics.


Campagnolo 10 speed and current 9 speed rear derailleurs have a completely different parallelogram than pre-2001 8 and 9 speed rear derailleurs. The new paralelogram provides exceptionally precise, fast and crisp shifting. Unfortunately, because of the new improved geometry, pre-2001, 9 speed rear derailleurs are not compatible with any current 9 speed Ergo Shifters

Branford has info on the different cassettes on their site.
Don't think there are any issues with them.

Not sure about upgrading D/T to 10 speed.
the old DT shifters will work in friction mode nmDougSloan
Feb 23, 2003 10:34 AM
re: For diehard Campy fans only...TimePedal
Feb 21, 2003 8:48 AM
if the shifter cables are internally routed....
Record rebadged as Dura Ace for the price of Ultegra. nmtriple shot espresso
Feb 21, 2003 8:54 AM
a 10th gear and a brake lever with only one pivot nmPdxMark
Feb 21, 2003 8:55 AM
..and a carbon fibre brake lever while they're at it. nmSpunout
Feb 21, 2003 9:14 AM
re: For diehard Campy fans only...koala
Feb 21, 2003 9:26 AM
Separate levers for shifting a la campy, price competitiveness, a little more tactile feedback while shifting, ten speeds. I actually like the idea the new dura-ace will be lighter without the use of carbon in their components. Besides the cost , another reason I currently use chorus is that I like the appearance of a nice metal finish.
SimpleBill is in Denver
Feb 21, 2003 9:28 AM
Make it function better than campy, feel as buttery as campy, look as good or better than campy, cost less than campy and not have the name shimano on it. :-) Ok, you can keep the name, but the rest has to be there.

I will apologize to a whole country in advance, but, no, forbill
Feb 21, 2003 10:00 AM
the same reason I'll never buy a Japanese car (yes, yes, I know that cars are made internationally and all that). My perception always was that Japanese design was about function over form. To a lesser extent today maybe than when the roads first started filling up with Hondas and Toyotas, but that's what I thought then, and my prejudices continue. I was driving American cars at that time (relatively problem-free, I might add, through much abuse), and I was just so sick of people crowing about their Japanese cars.
For subjective reasons, the answer at this point is no, probably nothing. I've also got too much invested in Campy drivetrain stuff to switch, which wouldn't make sense in the first instance.
Italian panache?Bonked
Feb 21, 2003 10:22 AM
re: For diehard Campy fans only...Rob Sal
Feb 21, 2003 10:38 AM
The only thing that would make me switch would be if Campag (and Mavic) went bankrupt and never built another component...ever. And I would then only buy Shimano once the worlds last remaining Campag groupset went to an anonymous phone bidder for a seven figure sum at auction at Christie's, London.

Then, and only then would I allow myself to be dragged to the LBS to LOOK at a Shimano component. After that I would have to be threatened by UN resolutions to part with MY money to buy a Shimano component!
re: For diehard Campy fans only...mackgoo
Feb 21, 2003 11:35 PM
I've been thinking of doing a fixy, I guess this would be the time to do it.
not totally diehard, but...weiwentg
Feb 21, 2003 10:50 AM
(remember I do have Shimano cranks still.) I would like to see:
10 speeds. and for God's sake nothing like the permalink.
multiple upshifts as well as downshifts on the lever. I personally prefer the ergonomics of Campy's design, but the ergonomics of Shimano's levers are still acceptable.
increased reliability.
'03 XTR / Sweet Wings style cranks. preferably with a 110mm BCD option for cross.
better brakes.
ti or CF option for the crankarms.
aero cable routing would be nice.
slightly less finicky front derailleur. Shimano's front shifting is very simple - just slam the shifter and, if adjusted properly, the chain shifts like butter. however, it has to be set up exactly. Campy is more error-tolerant.
I first chose Campy because . . .Steve98501
Feb 21, 2003 1:59 PM
I liked the feel of Ergo better than STI. But I could probably get used to STI.

Another reason I like Campy is that I feel more like I'm supporting my "home town Hardware store." Yeah, I know, Campy is Euro, but then Leonardo DaVinci did design the bicycle even before it was possible to build one. Shimano is a global conglomerate that makes most of the world's supply of fishing tackle and bicycle components. Shimano even bought out a major fishing rod company in my state. So by comparison, I feel like I'm supporting a small, if not local, business. I know, Campy isn't that small a business, but compared to Shimano it is. And Campy doesn't make fishing tackle; it makes bike stuff only, as far as I know. So yeah, there are reasonable reasons to buy Campy besides the technical ones. If Shimano's market share pushed up much more, it could force Campy out of business. Or perhaps worse, Shimano buys out Campy, so regardless of which you buy, the money goes to Shimano. Shudder!!! I guess I'd buy Shimano if there were no smaller manufacturers of quality equipment. BTW, I own a Shimano spinning reel for fishing, but mostly I buy expensive fly reels made in England, so it's not so surprising that I'd choose Campy.
He said "anything" kids, so if the answer is no, thendjg
Feb 21, 2003 3:51 PM
seek help.

Campy on both road bikes here, and I'm inclined to stick with it. I like it. And I've got an investment in it. If a new bike comes in--not likely in the near future--there's always the compatibility hurdle to get over. So, a small bonus is not likely to do it. But at some price delta I'd jump. I've had Shimano before and it's just fine.
re: For diehard Campy fans only...Fignons_ponytail
Feb 21, 2003 7:08 PM
Never. You can't imitate heritage, panache, and all the other Campy magic you feel when you use their components!

I do use Shimano on my MTB, though, since it is covered in crap all the time anyway.
re: For diehard Campy fans only...mackgoo
Feb 22, 2003 2:27 PM
re: For diehard Campy fans only...mackgoo
Feb 21, 2003 11:24 PM
The company for free, then....Iwannapodiumgirl
Feb 23, 2003 6:53 PM
close their sorry ass down!