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Too many good road bike choices--I can't buy them all! Help!(28 posts)

Too many good road bike choices--I can't buy them all! Help!mcooksley
Feb 15, 2003 11:51 PM
I'm finally able to upgrade from my 15 year old C-Dale/105 Criterium series road bike. I enjoyed that bike a lot--from short training rides to 10-day supported tours. I'd like to get a bike that is very versatile. I've ridden a lot of bikes but am having trouble determining what is going to serve me well based upon a few afternoon test rides. I'm pretty sure I've settled on an aluminum/carbon frameset as that seems to be the best of both worlds for around $2K. I'd like to try racing this year and still maintain the short/fast after work rides and occassional centuries. My top choices at this moment: Fuji Professional, Klein Q-Pro Carbon, OCLV 5200, CAAD 7. Got any good insight for me? Also, how heavily should I weigh the whole service 'package' issue offered by each shop?
Cipo used to ride a CannondalePODIUMBOUNDdotCA
Feb 16, 2003 12:12 AM
Cipo used to ride a Cannondale and so am I for the next little while at least. They are very nice bikes and as long as you stray away from the ones with factory wheels they are great fully built bikes.

If not the Klein Q-Pro is a beatiful bike too. You can't go wrong with either of these.

I'm an aluminum bike kinda guy so I don't have a thing for the OCLV then the Fuji doesn't have the same brandname appeal to me as Klein and Cannondale.

Nick
PodiumBound.ca
Cipo would ride a huffy if you paid him enough too!!!!!!nmthe bull
Feb 16, 2003 5:06 AM
Cippo Would win everything on his huffy and be well paid too!nmBigLeadOutGuy
Feb 16, 2003 6:26 AM
But would he win on a huffy?PODIUMBOUNDdotCA
Feb 16, 2003 9:39 AM
Two questions:

1) Would Cipo still win on a Huffy?
2) Then doesn't Cipo like winning? If a bike stopped him from winning I think he'd switch companies depending on how much he was making.

Nick
sure he could he rides a specialized now right?whats the diff?the bull
Feb 16, 2003 10:29 AM
Bike sponsors dont pay riders to ride their bikes ya know!BigLeadOutGuy
Feb 16, 2003 10:39 AM
I dont know if anyone knows this but bike companies really dont pay team riders to ride their bikes. cannondale never paid him to ride their bike and im sure specialized doesnt pay him a penny. The teams the riders race for secure all the sponsorships and whatever companies give the team the best deal or meet their needs thats the equpiment that the riders will ride. I dont think I am crazy by saying this but a great rider will win races on just about any piece of equipment they are given, barring that they are substandard. I bet that if huffy sponsored cipos team, heck or even mongoose sponsored the team he would ride those frames and win just as many races on that as he would any other bike.
you dont know what your talking about!!!the bull
Feb 16, 2003 4:10 PM
I know for fact trek pays lance to ride there bikes.
I just heared a rumour that cipo hates specialized
so there going to pay him more money to ride it this year.
go look your info before you post it.
what if two companys wanted lance to ride there bikes.
I could see it now!
"here we will also throw in a pair of socks and a hat"
did you say rumor?BigLeadOutGuy
Feb 16, 2003 5:21 PM
I forgot that hearsay rumors were true. Ill keep that in mind next time I post and end all be all true fact.
I do know that that riders are allowed to have thier own shoe sponsors and other small products IF and only IF their team contracts allow them, by by far and large bike and compnents are part of the team deal, wether the rider likes them or not. Wether or not the company slips them a bonus is another story, if riders were being paid by bike companies to ride certain bikes, no team would have uniform equipment And members of the same team would all be on differnt bikes bcause certain companies would pay them more to ride thier particular bikes, according to your info that is. Riders sign a contract with a team, the team secures the equpiment sponsors.
I think you should check your fact a little bit better as well.
saw article in bicycling mag.......the bull
Feb 16, 2003 5:40 PM
it showed all lances sponsors and what they paid
went to look for it but it is in garbage now
it was a bicycling mag.any one out there got it? now I just freking dyin to find out the dollar amount that it was.
I am positve 100% that trek payed him.
now for non pro teams I also know for fact that specilized
offered a "pro deal" where you pay around 400 for frame
and fork.but these pro guys out there have to be getting money to ride frames as a advertisement.
I remember that!BigLeadOutGuy
Feb 16, 2003 6:11 PM
I do recall that article in bicyling mag. I cant recall the sponsors or the amounts.
The companies do supply the equipment and do pay the team money for advertising and using their equpiment, in turn the team pays the riders...I assume that some of the riders pay does in fact come from the sponsor money. So I think we are both correct to a certain extent.
I like the specialized frame, I wonder why cipo doesnt like it?
It is probally just not cool enough for him (cipo)the bull
Feb 16, 2003 7:29 PM
they even made the frame match his uniform.
he probally wantS to ride a itallian frame.
ONE THAT MACTHES HIS HAIR.
CIAO!
hahaha n/mBigLeadOutGuy
Feb 16, 2003 7:47 PM
Specialized didn't even build his frame....Stinky Hippie
Feb 17, 2003 1:50 PM
....So I'm wondering why they didn't just let him have a fully customized geometry to go with the high-zoot custom build. You know, basically give him a bike he lkes that 's painted to look like a specialized.

Feel the gin
re: Too many good road bike choices--I can't buy them all! Help!ukiahbill
Feb 16, 2003 12:23 AM
I'd agree that there are a lot of good bikes out there, especially at the 2K level. From personal experience I think the reputation of the shop and the manufacturer is really important as I've had warranty problems with two bikes that required frame repair and replacement. One was a new Cannondale/105 like yours, took 3 frames before it was right (the first 2 creaked LOUDLY)...a real PITA at the time, but the shop and Cannondale stuck with it until it was right. Also had a 10 year old Trek crack across the downtube lug and Trek performed a factory repair and repainted it at no charge...somehow I'd hung on to the sales reciept all those years and Trek honored their lifetime frame warranty.
Are you planning on keeping this bike for another 15 years?the bull
Feb 16, 2003 5:02 AM
I think ti is the best choice for you.
Check out the Lightspeed Classic.
This is what I am riding it is a very versital frame
and should last forever.
I think the carbon rear is just a fad,
Not too impressed with the way carbon feels (dead).
Always liked steel.
Aluminum is just to stiff.Unless You like that.Ride a Ti bike there light, feel good, last forever, and affordable. It is a do all be all bike frame material.
There also very easy to resell.
Are you planning on keeping this bike for another 15 years?mcooksley
Feb 16, 2003 4:21 PM
I appreciate you mentioning this. I have ridden one Ti bike (Merckx). It was a stunning ride, no doubt. But in order to get a carbon fork, a halfway decent group, and a wheelset that will hold up to my local roads/inconsistent technique, it looks like I'd have to get closer to the $3K mark. And that ain't happening at this time in my life. I like a stiff ride (it makes me feel faster than I probably really am!). I'm not real high on a mail order bike that cannot be ridden beforehand (i.e., Airborne). So there it is. I suspect that when I grow up (and my kids are feeding themselves) I'll put down the $3-4K and get that Ti ride that I'll ride to my grave. Until then????? thanks again for the input.
Dougles precision ti $2099the bull
Feb 16, 2003 7:35 PM
colorado cyclist
all ultegra
check it out
friend got one good deal
he likes it alot
How to narrow down choices.Len J
Feb 16, 2003 5:56 AM
1,) What is your intended use? A Crit bike is very different from a road racing bike, a touring bike, a sport tourer, etc. By choosing what you want to do, you may narrow your choices.

2.) Get a professional fitting. Your body type may limit you to certain manufacturers geometries. Slacker or steeper seat tubes, higher front ends etc.

3.) Test ride as many of the bikes that fit your desired geometry & type in your price range and go with the one that inspires you.

Remember, you will have this bike for a while. Take your time & be certain. Enjoy the search.

Len
How to narrow down choices.mcooksley
Feb 16, 2003 4:31 PM
Thanks for the reply Len. Good questions. My intended use? Most of what I will do is training rides after work and on the weekends. 20-50 mile rides/15-25 MPH spins. Hill climbing days. 1 or 2 'charity rides' each season. At least 1 or 2 centuries and the occassional long supported ride. This year I think I'm going to take a friend up on his invitation to try out the local road-racing scene (Tuesday nights at SIR/by the way, any newbies out there who just got started with that program?/what has been your experience?) From what I know about frame geometries, it does not sound like I would enjoy a full-blown crit bike (too twitchy/harsh on the long rides). I certainly don't want a touring bike. That would leave a road-racing frame, correct? I'll try and nail down the geometry issue a little better. But how does one do that? Ride the bikes, and record the geometries of the ones that 'feel good'? How will I know what 'feels good' when I can't take these bikes out for a 100 mile test ride??
How to narrow down choices.Len J
Feb 17, 2003 4:57 AM
In addition to Road Racing frames, there are several "Sport touring" geometries aimed at the kind of riding you describe. Waterford and Rivendell come to mind. Check out their web sites and pay attention to the Ramboullet (rivendell) Great bike for the money.

"I'll try and nail down the geometry issue a little better. But how does one do that? Ride the bikes, and record the geometries of the ones that 'feel good'? How will I know what 'feels good' when I can't take these bikes out for a 100 mile test ride??"

Two options:
1.) Pay an LBS to do a fitting. Many will allow you to apply this fitting charge against a bike purchase. I like the Serotta fitting system as it at least puts you on a size cycle. As in most things though not all fitters are created equal.

2.) There are many "fit calculators" on the WEB. Do a search of this site using the woird fitting and you should get many links. Some of those include
Wrench science
Colorado Cyvlist
BSN
Sheldon Brown

The problem with these (IMO) is they are dependent on self administered measurements which are error prone. Do the measurements several times to be sure.

Check out this link also:

ET "the long-awaited "idiot's" guide to bike fit" 2/10/03 6:01pm

If you go for a test ride, dial in your KOP (knee over pedal) position (I know this is a starting point, some like to be slightly behind KOP) and then look to see where the seat you intend to use is on the rails. If it's about center, then you have an appropriate Seat tube angle. After that, it's all about sizing.

Here is a good link on an article on test riding a bike that is pretty good.

http://chainreaction.com/roadbiketestrides.htm

Good luck.

Len
How to narrow down choices.mcooksley
Feb 17, 2003 4:03 PM
awesome feedback Len--thank you very much. I'll do some of this calculating then compare my prefered geometry with the bikes I am considering. Mark
re: Too many good road bike choices--I can't buy them all! Help!RCole
Feb 16, 2003 7:05 AM
I personally would get the 5200. I have not personally ridden one but have alot of buddies that ride them (and love them). I think it is a great bang for the buck. Plis, you can always upgrade the components when the pocket book allows. I've heard a lot of good things about the CAAD 7 but I'd be a little hesitant because of Cannondales recent BK. Most think that they're bike line will survive, but nothing's guarantied. The Trek's got a lifetime warranty and to me that's big. Good luck with your choice! They're all great bikes.
You can buy them all, talk to Akirasho.... nmnoveread
Feb 16, 2003 7:25 AM
yes... YES, buy them all... let gawd sort it out...Akirasho
Feb 16, 2003 1:20 PM
... I'll let you know how many are too many... how much is too much...

Be the bike.
Steelman SR 525j-son
Feb 16, 2003 5:30 PM
For around $2k, you could get a Steelman SR 525 with Ultegra. Great bike, my wife rides one (and I have a Manzanita mtn). steelmancycles.com

good luck,
Jason
re: Too many good road bike choices--I can't buy them all! Help!Giant Joe
Feb 16, 2003 6:32 PM
mcooksley,
Aluminum/carbon complete bike for around $2000,I see you like A stiff frame with maybe add A carbon post and carbon fork to smooth out the long rides without breaking the bank.Me too I been finding out latley.I been ridding my Orbea more lately before my carbon or steel ride.

Anyway first bike fit,I beleive someone else said that too.
might want to look at bike with Lifetime warranty if you plan on keep the bike awhile looks like you plan to.
Klein,trek have LT warrantys and Im not sure about the other two(dale and fuji)
Have you test ride the trek 2300?I'm not sure of price but It shouldn't be more than A 5500.
I have A Klein Q carbon w/ shimamo 105 got it for under $1200 new havn't put too many miles on It yet,but It fits me and the paint job,wow.
In the end its up to you,pick the one that you enjoy ridding and ride it lots
Joe
GET A SEVEN CYCLE AND NOBODY'LL EVER BE ABLE TO SAY SH&T TO YOU!Tacos Jalisco
Feb 16, 2003 9:21 PM