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Which bike would you rather have: de bernardi or ciocc(15 posts)

Which bike would you rather have: de bernardi or ciocccurtybirdychopper
Feb 14, 2003 10:56 AM
I'm looking for a second road bike, a sunday cruiser, errand runner, recovery day pleasure bike, an uncommon bike with a little more style than my regular (late model aluminum trek).
my focus is more on uniqueness and style than about anything else.

choices are:
a mid 80's ferrari red 12 sp record ciocc with ambrosia wheels (rims?) with nice lugs but paint is probably less than 80% with some scuffs in a very used condition.

or, a early 90s red/fade-white chro-mo de bernardi set up with reversible fixed/single hub that is as new. newer mavic wheels and carbon fork. this bike is a bastard, but like the fixed/single rear hub setup.

just want your opinions and other things i haven't considered. happy friday and happy hallmark day!
the cioccJS Haiku Shop
Feb 14, 2003 11:05 AM
i've never seen one on the road. ever. that plus the "vintage" factor is a sure draw for me. no contest.

LOL: "hallmark day". ain't it the truth? happy teleflora day.
re: Which bike would you rather have: de bernardi or ciocccdale02
Feb 14, 2003 11:19 AM
I'd recommend the Ciocc. I've put some ads out looking for a mid 80's Ciocc or Derosa. The Ciocc that I always liked was a dark metallic red with chrome stays. I always thought that was a cool bike. Te De Bernardi's never did it for me.

Out of curiosity, what size is the ciocc and how much are you expecting to pay (ball park). This info will help me in my search.

Good luck - hopefully I'll find one for me too.
cdale, i dont know....maybe you'll snatch it!curtybirdychopper
Feb 14, 2003 11:42 AM
The ciocc is a 60cm for a long legger like me. and i'm trying to get it for $500. i think for this price it has not been kept well. i haven't seen it yet, so this could either be a very good or a bad price for it.

anyway, the de bernardi paint is smooth, and the bike is basically new so that is weighing on me versus a the very used condition of the ciocc. hmmmm.
cdale, i dont know....maybe you'll snatch it!cdale02
Feb 14, 2003 12:28 PM
... I'm actually looking for a 61cm, so this is close. My preliminary research has shown that $500 sounds high for a Ciocc in that condition.

If you shoot me an e-mail I can put you in touch with a pristine Ciocc with a "unique" history for $500. It is not Super Record, but it is a Nuovo Record with very low miles and the guy quoted me 500 for it, so 500 for a lesser bike may be high.

e-mail drosj01 at hotmail.
Cdale, cool, email your way is coming! nmcurtybirdychopper
Feb 14, 2003 12:34 PM
DeBernardi and Ciocc geometry and measurementsFrank121
Feb 14, 2003 4:36 PM
I have an old ZAR International (importer of Ciocc and De Bernardi) catalog and they show for a 60cm c-c Ciocc a 58.2cm top tube and 73.5 degree seat tube. De Bernardi came in odd sizes and 59cm c-c had 57cm top tube and twin 73 degree seat and head angles, 61cm c-c had 58cm top tube with 73 degree seat tube and 73.5 degree head tube.

I would like to find a nice 54cm c-c Ciocc frameset...

frank121@cox.net
this is the de bernardi (cheers anthony...)curtybirdychopper
Feb 14, 2003 11:56 AM
I hope you dont mind posting the pic anthony.
Don't let the word "steel" fool you hearKristin
Feb 14, 2003 12:21 PM
I don't have a lot of experience with various materials, ect. But I can tell you this. The aelle is a rough bike to ride. Its lively. But it picks up all the road buzz. I'd be willing to bet that as I ride more bikes I will determine that the Aelle is stiff indeed. If you want comfortable/casual...go for the other.

Then again. I may be looking to sell mine at the end of the summer. If you want to wait, it might be available at a very good price.
i've heard some de bernards are stiff, especially cro mocurtybirdychopper
Feb 14, 2003 12:32 PM
I think the de bernard thron is cro-mo and very stiff. Isnt the aelle columbus steel and a little less stiff? hmmm. so you're saying the aelle is also very stiff.

thanks for the offer kristen, but would i fit your frame size?

cheers!
Not if the bike above is the one your looking to buyKristin
Feb 14, 2003 12:35 PM
I noticed that the head tube on that thing is alot longer than mine, so I'd guess the frame is more than 53cm. Yes, the Aelle is columbus steel.
check geometry in large sizesgeeker
Feb 14, 2003 1:24 PM
I (vaguely) shopped around, and checked newer models of these brands in 60-61cm. New DeBernardis have very steep seat tube angles, 74 degrees in all sizes. Cioccs have slacker seat tube angles, 72.5 deg in a 61 iirc. So despite the DeBernardi's very short top tube, the Ciocc effectively has a shorter cockpit. Not sure if this geo applies to the older frames, but you should check.
check geometry in large sizescurtybirdychopper
Feb 14, 2003 2:15 PM
I thought a short top tube would mean a shorter cockpit. If the de bernardi is steep, the top tube is short and the cockpit is small, eh? Do you mean the berni would have a shorter cockpit?

In any case, yes, I think your point is true. Since I won't be doing super long miles in the bike, I dont mind if the cockpit is ideal. I'll sacrifice a little comfort in reach if i have to.

thanks geeker.
check geometry in large sizesgeeker
Feb 14, 2003 3:09 PM
You're welcome! If you move the saddle fore-aft to get the same position of your knee relative to the pedal spindle [not saying it has to be directly over!] on the 2 bikes, you'll have to shove the saddle way back on the DeBernardi relative to the Ciocc. This will effectively lengthen the DB's cockpit. Too lazy to do the math, but 1 degree on a 61cm probably equates to well over 1cm. I'd guess that you'd have to shove the DB's saddle back about 2cm, surprisingly giving a slightly longer cockpit than the Ciocc. But the net difference is probably less than 1cm, which could be made up by stem adjustment, etc.

Again, these numbers are for new-production frames. Geo on older frames might be different.
So that's how it works! Thanks. nmKristin
Feb 14, 2003 4:10 PM