|Street price of EPO||Allezcomp|
Feb 6, 2003 8:54 AM
|I'm just curious. Does anyone know the "street price" of EPO? I'm guessing it is pretty high. Do athletes on EPO cycle(use product for a couple months then take a month off)? Do they dose daily or weekly?|
|What you do not know will not hurt you. nm||Spunout|
Feb 6, 2003 8:59 AM
|Fellow RBRers lets not even respond to this garbage nm.||pnitefly|
Feb 6, 2003 9:00 AM
Feb 6, 2003 9:21 AM
|The reason I'm asking is because I have a friend who is doing a university project on EPO for biochemistry. He is looking at the effects and the difference between legal and illegal use.
Truth is, drugs are present in sports. From steroids to human growth hormones and EPO, people will always be looking for the extra edge. These products ARE dangerous. I think that talking about it is better than ignoring the problem. Cycling has a tarnished rep because of drugs but it is better to openly talk about it then keep the issue secret. I agree with Cipo that more positive testing will be the end of the sport (for major sponsors)
Mario Cipollini, who was awarded the Bici d'Oro in memory of Fausto Coppi, hopes for a cleaner Giro d'Italia for the good of cycling. The World Champion spoke while accepting his award on Tuesday. "I hope that this year things go better for the Giro d'Italia, but if it's not the case, it will be the end of cycling," said Cipollini.
|The "educational" excuse :)||PODIUMBOUNDdotCA|
Feb 6, 2003 9:49 AM
|But seriously if you want to know more about it my guess is it isn't overly prevalent in the US so you'll have a hard time. And why would it be... steroids make you bigger which is what guys, weight lifters, body builders want... which helps make you stronger and LOOK "better". EPO just makes you faster in your funny spandex so in a society based on LOOKS why would people take it on any large scale?
However, if you went to Belgium and talked to guys you'd be able to find it in no time. Their suspension is a whole 2 weeks when your caught on drugs...
I wonder if there even is a street price for EPO since I'd guess most of it comes from crooked doctors or directly from pharmacuetical companies.
Its interesting to note that EPO only improves your performance (I think this means VO2 max) by something like 10%. Enough to make someone a stronger cyclist but by no means a world class cyclist. This comes at the price of not having a doctor to watch over the person like they do in the pro peloton greatly increasing the chance of it killing the person.
|there's also a misconception of miracle||cyclopathic|
Feb 6, 2003 10:03 AM
|even if you're strong cyclist taking EPO will do squad w/o training. You need sound cardiovascular system, muscles trained at higher level to take advantage of extra oxygen in blood stream.|
|Your friend is going to substantiate his study with||Kristin|
Feb 6, 2003 11:23 AM
|second hand information gathered on the RBR General Forum?|
|So you wanna play the quoting game do you||Shihtzu on EPO|
Feb 6, 2003 12:55 PM
|from cycle sport feb 03
Danish scientist commented on lance's ride up alpe d'huez in 01, where he exceeded 450 watts for an hour.
"If those data are true, then it seems completely improbable to me. I don't know how he could do it. As most, he could maintain that kind of level during 10 minutes"
|That comes from a *scientist* not athlete or coach||PODIUMBOUNDdotCA|
Feb 6, 2003 2:55 PM
|Scientifically lots of things don't seem possible scientifically. The ammount of air any mid to high level cyclist breaths per minute any doctor would say shouldn't be possible... I wouldn't be suprised if they said the weight some people lift is impossible. Now with no doubt Lance's #'s are way off the scale of average. But if you use a bell curve of sustainable power for 1 hour all the pros would be scattered at the very extremities of the very high side. Hence the bell curve. Highly unlikely for people to do it but not impossible.
Feb 6, 2003 3:23 PM
|Scientifically it should be next to impossible to hit a baseball pitched to you with a bat! Science is sometimes not what you should refer to.
|I want some EPO goodness||Shihtzu on EPO|
Feb 6, 2003 9:06 AM
|Let the haters get dropped while i take the prize.
i heard Matt Gemmel used some to race the International Cycling Classic in Wisconsin and it paid off for him.
Holler if you hear me
Feb 6, 2003 9:14 AM
|Good One (nm)||PEDDLEFOOT|
Feb 6, 2003 9:18 AM
Feb 6, 2003 9:47 AM
|or 15-20$ for i.e. the studies I've seen claimed double dose 3-4 time a week for 6-8weeks were the most beneficial. Then return on investment was reducing. Effects were lasting up to 8 weeks.
Now disclaimer: I had never knowingly taken any performance enhancing substances (including but not limited to Viagra) or am I in any way interested in competitive cycling. Taking illegal substances is unethical and violates laws and UCI regulations.
|re: Street price of EPO||divve|
Feb 6, 2003 10:00 AM
|Not so long ago there was a mountain biker who got caught in my country. He said you can get it freely at the pharmacist in Germany. He said that a single 5 day cure was around $400.|
|Oh! You are helping a friend do research! Why didn't you say so?||pnitefly|
Feb 6, 2003 10:21 AM
|*Sarcasm Alert* Don't you think your university buddy can do his own research? I wish I had friends like you. Can you research the Asian sex trade for me? I'm going to fly out to Bangkok and write a paper about that. Maybe your in depth research can help me find out what country Bangkok is in! (hint: ryhmes with "highland")|
|I found a site for your research peanutfly||Shihtzu on EPO|
Feb 6, 2003 11:57 AM
I'm pretty sure Bangcock is in "yourassland"
|no, no... it is for his sick Mother-in-law in Lithuania! nm||Spunout|
Feb 6, 2003 10:40 AM
|Viagra is more useful.||Maartin|
Feb 6, 2003 10:59 AM
|Gets expensive when you add the cost of having had chemo. (nm)||PseuZQ|
Feb 6, 2003 1:19 PM