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on roadies style, arrogance and speed(28 posts)

on roadies style, arrogance and speedcolker
Feb 3, 2003 8:04 AM
reading the thread on style and arrigance, i remembered this story: sunday, early morinig, four guys on their bassos, colnagos and pinnarellos. campy record, team jerseys, tubulars, bnla bla bla.. they pass other cyclists . they don't wave. they are climbing. they are tough, almost pro. a guy on a cruiser, sandals, beach trunks and a funny hat waves at them but they pretend they didn't hear. a few minutes later up the hill, some one attacks and everybody mashes at full force. then the cruiser guy passes by, as if the mountain wasn't there, and asks again : "hey, can i go with you?" peloton demoralized.
Sounds more like a fantasy or a dream. (nm)onespeed
Feb 3, 2003 8:12 AM
not necessarily...Fender
Feb 3, 2003 8:24 AM
Something similar happened to some buddies while riding in central Mexico. Two riders, with at least 5 years racing experience are riding up this mountain in Mexico. Half way of the hill a man, late 60's, rides a rusty old cruiser with a milk gallon on each hand. As he passes my friends, he smiles and says "nice day to be out".

I've heard other stories like these happening, and too prove a point, Julio Perez Cuapio, winner of several stages of the Giro, was discovered in a similar fashion.

Here's another story, told to me by an actual rider who witnessed it. There use to be a ride in Baja, Mexico,from Mexicali to San Felipe, a 125 mile ride, mostly flat with strong head winds. At the half way point there is an intermediate sprint, and a shanky little town. Out of nowwhere this guy on a bmx bike pulls out and starts riding next to the peloton, at over 28 mph. The group rezlizes this and starts going faster. Long story short, they where able to out ride the bmxer at 33mph.
Can't be true...eschelon
Feb 3, 2003 8:28 AM
I've never heard of BMX bikes having those kind of gears (single chainring and single cog setup) that would allow the bike to be able to sustain...let alone get to that kind of speed.
Not necessarily--I've seen similar things at least twicecory
Feb 3, 2003 8:34 AM
Seems to me there's been a huge increase in the last few years in what we used to call the Arrogant Roadie Pr!ck Syndrome. Two examples I've seen personally:
Couple of years ago I headed out for a ride and it was colder than I thought, so I grabbed some sweats out of my car and put them on over my bike stuff as I went down the driveway. Half an hour later I nodded at a guy on a Colnago going the other way. He just saw some geek in sweats, and he couldn't be bothered to wave or speak or glance in my direction.
When I got to the turnaround, a few miles down, I stuffed the sweats in my seat bag and headed back in shorts and jersey. Passed the same guy coming back, and now that I was clearly a REAL cyclist he could raise a hand from the bars and acknowledge my presence. It's a small thing, but it's often repeated, at least around here.
The second time, just a few days ago, involved an LBS owner who's a VERY strong rider and does most of his everyday cycling on a singlespeed with a handlebar basket. A bunch of the local club Nazis blew by him heading out of town, doing their usual too-close pass, brushing by him because they're too important and serious to go give anybody room. He kept plugging along, and about half an hour later he caught and passed them on a 2,000-foot climb. Says he left them with their jaws hanging; I love it.
but it's true.colker
Feb 3, 2003 9:45 AM
those guys are embarrassed when someone comes up wiht the story while we fix our bikes on the lbs. ok, they are not the strongest in the club and i exagerated on the mountain part but they were caught while trainnig hard by this guy with sandals on a cruiser.
Sounds more like a fantasy or a dream. (nm)Spoiler
Feb 3, 2003 3:05 PM
These stories start out partially true: an arrogant cyclist get passed by a fred on an inferior machine.
After a couple rounds of retelling the story, the arrogant cyclist turns into a pro team paceline, the fred turns into a 300lb, blind parapalegic and the inferrior machine turns into a wrought-iron unicycle with a flat tire.
Brah!Ahimsa
Feb 3, 2003 6:17 PM
"the fred turns into a 300lb, blind parapalegic and the inferrior machine turns into a wrought-iron unicycle with a flat tire."

Heh heh heh!

Cheers!

A.
This arrogance and snobbery hasn't been my experiencedzrider
Feb 3, 2003 8:21 AM
In CT I seldom catch or get caught by another cyclist. When I do, almost all act pretty happy to see a fellow rider and we chat a bit. Here the sport is esoteric enough to foster kinship among riders. More than once I've had guys slow down to let me hang on for a while. My bikes and clothes are more functional than stylish and if they bother people I don't notice. In fact, the old Trek seems to get the most response of any bike I've owned. Where are all these bike snobs?
This stereotype is more myth than reality. nmeschelon
Feb 3, 2003 8:25 AM
Maybe where you live, but it's very common hereretro
Feb 3, 2003 8:40 AM
You don't see a lot of BMX cruisers running down the arrogant road swine...but you DO see a lot of arrogant road swine, riding three abreast, blocking traffic and refusing to acknowledge or help any cyclist who doesn't have the right bike and the right superhero clothes. It's getting to be a problem even with the cops and city government, because they've pissed off so many drivers. I'm a longtime cyclist, and my sympathies have always been with bikes, but these people are even turning ME around.
There are too few of us cyclists around to afford such snobberyTig
Feb 3, 2003 9:10 AM
On the road, we are a minority at a disadvantage among 2-ton vehicles piloted by potentially dangerous drivers. The last thing we need is division!

Typical human nature is to divide into groups. Add ego and you get elitist groups. I don't see roadie snobbery near as much as I used to, but I still see a few Cat 3 or higher riders act like the world is beneath them. I encourage fellow riders to wave at other riders when I'm in a group ride, usually by example. Life is too short to not have common courtesy and decency. Talking with riders who are obviously not too serious about the sport can open the doors for them. Being accepted is a prime human need. Besides, you make new friends.

I also understand that once the pace gets hot and demanding, tunnel vision sets in. Trying to maintain a survivable heart rate and safe positioning within a paceline takes up most of our attention. The same goes during an intense interval.
Very well said TIGbigrider
Feb 3, 2003 10:12 AM
I always try to wave and be nice but some times people either can't smile and wave or are focused because they are working hard.

There will always be some that just don't want to wave. That doesn't make them snobs. The same people will tell you they don't want a conversation on the airplane when you are in the next seat.

Then there are the ones that place a higher value on themselves and are too important to wave. Their loss, don't lose sleep or worry, life is waaay too short.
Oh yes,macalu
Feb 4, 2003 10:58 AM
Here in metro DC its dog eat cog.
I love it.Quack
Feb 3, 2003 8:27 AM
It always makes me feel good to hear such stories. It makes me feel much better about being an average cyclist that just rides to ride. The most memorable thing I've ever read was in a cycling rag a few years ago. It basically said that the person with the potential to be the World's greatest bicycle racer will probably never even own a bike. Then, there are other people that know they have great cycling potential but choose to focus energies on other pursuits like family, career, etc. which are probably more noble pursuits in the long run. What I love is that these types are so gifted genetically that they can kick 99% of the World's a$$ even without training much. Consequently, you occassionally see the beach sandal wearing, cruiser riding guy that could have been Lance having fun with some arrogant roadies while being totally polite and friendly. Thanks for the post.
What bothers me.Spoke Wrench
Feb 3, 2003 9:29 AM
What really bothers me is the implication that what made snubing the cruiser rider unacceptable is that he was later able to catch up to the peloton. I see no reason, nor anything to be gained, by treating other riders with disrespect whatever their degree of athletic prowess.

Around 20 years ago, my wife and I went on a hilly, overnight bike tour on our Schwinn Twinn. Of the two other tandems on that ride, one was ridden by Lon Haldeman and Susan Noterangelo of RAAM fame. At the overnight stop, Susan nade the effort to seek us out and to encourage us to continue to ride together and maybe get a better bike when we could afford it. That's class!
What bothers me.koala
Feb 3, 2003 9:59 AM
The fastst guy around here rides with his groupies and will not only wave but has let me tag along, safely drafting the stronger riders, talk bikes and generally encourage the slower guys. There are some guys that cant climb and have no skills and wont wave or talk when you pass them, everbody is different. Your point is well taken-often the best are gracious while some others are not.
I rode with them last summer and they haven't changed.dzrider
Feb 3, 2003 10:51 AM
They are friendly, encouraging and lots of fun. I hope to do one of their PAC Tours some day.
around here there is good correlation between speed and gear...Bruno S
Feb 3, 2003 9:32 AM
usually the guys on the entry level Giant with mtb shoes will be slower than the guys on a Pinarello.
Maumee Valley Wheelman, May 1976Continental
Feb 3, 2003 9:33 AM
The racing club is having a time trial. A guy shows up on a Sears Free Spirit bike, complete with kickstand. The Zeus's, Colnago's, and even the PX10's murmur and chuckle. The guy on the Free Spirit has the 6th best time out of 14 riders. Instant respect, especially from me, who finished 12th (one guy had a mechanical problem and one guy was really pathetic). The best rider to ever come out of the group rode a Raleigh Grand Prix for his first year. All this ranting about arrogance is amusing. No one can ruin my day if they don't wave or nod. Unless someone blows a snot rocket on you, what's the big deal?
Story from Italy ...doggintx
Feb 3, 2003 11:47 AM
I was riding in Sicily while visiting family (I'm American). Didn't have a road bike so I borrowed my father-in-law's "beach cruiser". I road along the southern coast everyday during the week. One morning, a group of Italians can wizzing by on Bianchi's (90% of bikes I saw in Sicily were Bianchi's). All decked out in Mapei shirts/shorts/etc. I, of course, was on a beach cruiser in gym shorts and Nike running sneakers. I caught the group, road off the back of their paceline for an hour, then went to the front and pulled for a while. They spoke little English -- but they kept calling me Lance (it was in early September so the Tour was still on everyones mind). We stopped at a bare for coffee and chatted. They are convinced Lance is dopping. And if not purposefully dopping, then the cancer drugs are giving him an edge. No use arguing -- they would go off in Italian with their arms waving about the air. They asked me which bike I rode -- it's a Litespeed Ultimate with Campy Record. They were impressed ("bennisimo, bella bicicolette!"). So there you go Lazyrider ...
Please translate: "bennisimo, bella bicicolette!" nmeschelon
Feb 3, 2003 1:35 PM
Here's my best shot ...doggintx
Feb 3, 2003 2:11 PM
My Italian spelling/translation is not great, but here's my understanding ... "wonderful, beautiful bicycle!".
bennisimo = very good, bella = beautiful, bicicolette = bike nmBruno S
Feb 3, 2003 2:52 PM
Silly...No_sprint
Feb 3, 2003 1:30 PM
How if one doesn't happen to see another or perhaps is missed making some sort of acknowledgement, he/she is automatically just another snobby arrogant roadie. I see many many more people everyday on the road not waving to each other because we're all driving cars into work, some even into the same buildings. Lots of people gettin' no attention or help by the side of the road when broken down. Guess we're all snobby arrogant (car) roadies.

When I'm solo and at the side of the road I can't remember once when another solo or group didn't offer support. This is not including supported centuries where I'm glad those that don't offer a hand, don't. They wouldn't be any help by and large.

I for one can't make any sort of character judgement about a rider riding by that I know nothing of. Those who do, well, who cares about them. Aint to intelligent to make snap judgements like that. Come on, who can tell which person in a grey flannel suit and sunglasses on in an elevator riding down a couple floors to lunch in the Wells Fargo tower downtown?
thanks No SprintThe Human G-Nome
Feb 3, 2003 2:21 PM
some clarity. sometimes it seems like this forum just turns into a venting room. whining, moaning and complaining. people make the complaint about "arrogance" and yet, in the same breath, they're pre-judging people they've never met and don't know. talk about the epitomy of arrogance.

also, all these stories about blowing by people on a beach cruiser on a climb.... give me a freakin' break. if this is a legitimate climb, no one on a beach cruiser is blowin' by anybody with any kind of talent on a road bike. it's also funny that anyone would get any kind of satisfaction out of that story seeing as how they don't even know the people involved.
Thanks Human G-Nomethisendup
Feb 3, 2003 6:46 PM
This same basic conversation was going around here a few days ago. Once again, where do you guys ride that you are running into all these a$$holes?? I swear we don't have but a very few, if any, in my neck o' the woods.
Thanks Human G-NomeThe Human G-Nome
Feb 3, 2003 9:46 PM
i don't know, but i can't find them. i rode with thousands of roadies last season and very few were a$$holes. i'm still convinced that the "a$$holes" are really just strangers who are coming off wrong and playing to someone's insecurities.