|How many of you follow traffic laws to the letter?||superdog|
Feb 2, 2003 10:51 AM
|I don't want to get into a flame war or judge other cyclists actions. I just want to know how many of you actually stop at every stop sign and every light and indicate turns etc. (on your bike, not your car)|
|not me, I run stop signs and lights when safe to do so nm||african|
Feb 2, 2003 11:09 AM
|Do you do it in your car? The diff between a car and bike is? nm||PODIUMBOUNDdotCA|
Feb 2, 2003 7:26 PM
|I try to come pretty close ...||Humma Hah|
Feb 2, 2003 11:53 AM
|... I'll do a rolling stop at stop signs where I can clearly see nobody is coming, but I'm probably coming to more of a complete stop than most motorists do.
About the only time I'll run a red is if the way is extremely clear and I've been waiting for a traffic signal to change that has absolutely NO idea I'm there. I've also got one particular intersection where the %$#@! traffic engineer has made NO provision whatsoever to allow safe pedestrian/cyclist crossings for a parkway bike path. The particular corner has continuous traffic, either crossing, left turns from the opposite lane, or right turns. Crossing on green at that particular light is actually the most dangerous time.
|I also try to break the speed limit ...||Humma Hah|
Feb 2, 2003 2:45 PM
|... but usually don't have a lot of success doing it. I can occasionally get one of those radar speed signs to indicate a little over 25, and optimally I might tweak 29, but I've never been able to get the cops to even raise a radar gun in my general direction.
What an insult!
|Been shot with the||Von Zip|
Feb 2, 2003 4:57 PM
|radar gun a couple of times, but I think it was because they were bored.|
|I'll ask local radar cops..."How am I doing" .. they laugh [nm]||bent_spoke|
Feb 3, 2003 1:11 PM
|not at all||ishmael|
Feb 2, 2003 11:58 AM
|road laws are intended for cars and don't work for bikes and I think this is understood by everyone including the police. I blow lights and stop signs in plain sight of police and they almost always let it go. Twice I was pulled over for running lights at busy intersections but they just gave me a warning.|
|re: How many of you follow traffic laws to the letter?||The Human G-Nome|
Feb 2, 2003 12:42 PM
|i stop for every light unless it's a three-way and there's no traffic coming from the right. i run stop signs, but not after slowing way down to make sure i'm clear as well as my riding buddies. IMO, you should never be running lights, but there's no way to police folks on bikes (unless you live in Sausalito of course where they're more then happy to shell out the routine $250 ticket).
i must admit that i'll often catch up to folks on bicycles who just blew through the last two lights without even looking and give this this spiel:
"Hey, I just thought I'd let you know that the cops have really been crackin' down on cyclists running red lights in this area. Me and a few friends got $200 tickets so you should be really careful if you're going to run them."
it's just a non-confrontational way to get some people to stop acting like jacka$$es.
|re: How many of you follow traffic laws to the letter?||Raven1911|
Feb 2, 2003 12:50 PM
|I run stop signs if safe. I also go through traffic lights if I cannot see any cars either direction, but usually I stop. I haven't seen any cyclists in my area obey all traffic laws, just like motorists don't obey all traffic laws. A must is to wear the helmet and have a light on at night! Too much risk of getting a brain injury without a helmet.
|re: How many of you follow traffic laws to the letter?||GregJ|
Feb 2, 2003 12:51 PM
|I am middle of the road. I don't obey every sign. I never run red lights, I yield and stop at signs when necessary for my safety. I will slow down and roll through stop signs in quiet areas when there is no traffic. However, myself and 2 friends got tickets last weekend for rolling through a semi-rural stop sign at 6-7 mph. No traffic present. 62 bucks, but no points on DMV record. So I am probably going to adjust a bit.|
|re: How many of you follow traffic laws to the letter?||Tarheel71|
Feb 2, 2003 12:56 PM
|I usually ride slowly through stop signs and lights if there
are no cars around, but if you ride through a red light with
a car behind you, don't expect the driver to raise his view toward cyclists which is probably pretty low already.
Feb 2, 2003 1:14 PM
|Treat motorists and peds as you want them to treat bikers. If the intersection is deserted and you can see that nothing is coming, blow right through it. If people or cars are around, show some courtesy and defer. If nearby cars could benefit from you informing them of your intentions by hand signals, do so. If your places were reversed, you'd probably want some idea of what the biker is about to do so can drive accordingly. Don't ride in the middle of the road, or block the right turn lane while stopped at intersections, etc. etc. Just imagine you're driving and some biker is doing what you're currently doing; would it annoy you or would be appreciative?
That's my take on it.
Feb 2, 2003 1:20 PM
|How do you not block the right hand turn lane? I ask this because I feel some motorists get mad at me for doing this. This is the scenario: If I come up on a right hand turn lane only, and I am going straight, I will go to the straight lane and not block the right hand turns. However, my question is, here in CA, it is legal to turn right on a red if safe. If I am riding on the right side of the road and come up on a light or stop sign and am going straight and an car is behind me wanting to turn right, how do I not block them? Do you let them go in front of you until the light turns green? What do you think?
|Slightly in the crosswalk and to the left a little.||PseuZQ|
Feb 2, 2003 11:09 PM
|Yeah, I know, we're not supposed to be in the crosswalk...
Ususally I look behind me to see if the car behind me has its signal on. Then one wheel in the crosswalk, and I scooch a little to the left. That generally leaves enough room. Sometimes I have to motion to the car behind that it's OK to come up alongside me to make the right turn.
This is generally more of an issue when I'm commuting in the city than it is when I'm out.
To answer the original question, stop at all red lights, usually a rolling stop at stop signs, and always ALWAYS yield to peds. (Funny, the other morning I was on a completely empty street except for one older woman standing on the sidewalk about to step off the curb into the crosswalk. So, natch, I stop. She was stoked!! "Oh! Thank you very much! You have a nice day!" Made my commute.)
|Why not ask about cars?||MR_GRUMPY|
Feb 2, 2003 5:49 PM
|I wonder how many of you drive over 55 , or any posted speed limit ??????????
How many tailgate ?????
How many cheat on their taxes ????
The truth is, that people just do stuff.........
Feb 2, 2003 7:56 PM
|I do almost everything by the book (except speed limits). I STOP at stop signs. I signal. I keep right. The whole bit. I almost always did this, anyway, but when I starte training for ultra races that require stops and so forth, I found it to be good practice.
When I'm on group rides and 30 people blow a stop sign, I can't see the point of my stopping alone.
|re: How many of you follow traffic laws to the letter?||Scot_Gore|
Feb 2, 2003 8:48 PM
|I obey most. I'm probably closer to the letter of the law on my bike than I typically am in my car. Seems I'm almost always a few miles over the speed limit on any trip in the car, that never happens on the bike.
I slow to an almost complete stop at stop signs. I stop for all lights. There's a light on one of my regular routes that never recognizes me, so I treat it like a stop sign, then pedal through the red. There's another that dosn't recognize bikes and crosses a very busy road. I roll up on the sidewalk and press the pedestrian button, which is of course, against the letter of the law.
my two cents.
|No one does||mohair_chair|
Feb 3, 2003 7:06 AM
|Anyone who says they do is either lying or delusional.
It is logically impossible to follow all traffic laws to the letter. Read the vehicle code someday and you'll find all kinds of contradictions and floating exceptions. If it were cut and dry, they wouldn't need judges in traffic court.
Do the best you can to be safe and not cause accidents or unnecessary inconvience to anyone else on the road. That's what I do. It's golden rule thinking. Do I follow the law to the letter? No way.
|re: How many of you follow traffic laws to the letter?||Ian|
Feb 3, 2003 7:27 AM
|I guess I would consider myself the average cyclist. I always stop for red lights, I can't remember ever running one. All the ones on my normal routes are sensitive enough to recognize bikes. Stop signs, it depends. In the middle of nowhere without any cars around and clean lines of sight, I blow through them. Busy intersections in small town areas, I stop and will motion with my hand my turning intentions and also either wave cars to go ahead or hold up my hand to get them to realize I am going. Speed limits, well, probably doesn't really apply, but I never pay attention to them. Maybe in some neighborhoods the limit is 20 mph and we have a strong crew doing 25 mph. And there is one short 13% grade downhill in the middle of nowhere that I can hit 50 mph on, I have no idea what the actaul speed limit is. I suppose I would guess 99.9% of my riding is done within the speed limit, I couldn't say that about my car. Basically I try to be safe and not do anything to stupid. Me and my bike at 200 lbs vs. a Ford Explorer at 4,000 lbs is not a safe match-up.
|Following the law can get you killed||Kristin|
Feb 3, 2003 7:39 AM
|For instance, I'd have died of starvation sometime in November if I hadn't run that red light in August. I don't make a complete stops ever and blow through abandoned 4 way's. I run red lights that don't change after 7 minutes (3 minutes if its before 6am). *Gasp* And I turn small cirles while waiting for a red light to change--which CAN'T be legal.|| |