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Tom Kellogg/Spectrum Cycles making a "Cielo"(15 posts)

Tom Kellogg/Spectrum Cycles making a "Cielo"Tig
Jan 30, 2003 8:54 AM
It was just a matter of time brfore Tom offered a Spectrum version of the Merlin Cielo he designed for them. He calls it simply the "Spectrum Carbon Titanium". The Ti lugs have a little less artistic flare to them, but are still beautiful. I'd hate to hear the price!
The Spectrum Carbon Titanium:

The Merlin Cielo:
Cover your ears (or don't look)djg
Jan 30, 2003 9:56 AM
looks like 3450 for the frameset, if I'm reading the sheet correctly:
Cover your ears (or don't look)ryder1
Jan 30, 2003 10:18 AM
Ummm, cover your ears again - I think the $3450 (headset, fork included) is only for carbon seat stays, not carbon down tube / top tube / seat stays as in the Cielo.

As a comparison, a complete Cielo with campy record at Excel Sports is listed at $6,580. A Serotta Ottrott ST (carbon stays, top, and down tubes) lists on their site for $4,795.
Thats 4795 for the frame only btw nmcollinsc
Jan 30, 2003 12:44 PM
is the $5k+ frameset far off? (nm)ColnagoFE
Jan 30, 2003 1:24 PM
Have you seen a Cielo up close?merckx56
Jan 30, 2003 11:01 AM
There was one down at the LBS and while it was beautiful and obviously well made, it was a bit heavy. It was full 10-speed record with K's and felt really heavy in the back end. I also question the reasoning behind actually dropping $5500 on a bike that, if crashed, will either be ruined, or turn the owner homicidal!
Have you seen a Cielo up close?Rob Sal
Jan 30, 2003 11:28 AM
I handled a Cielo and was very impressed with the build quality and of course the looks. Here at a local UK Merlin dealer is selling Cielos as frame only (ie no fork either)and costs £2350 (the same price they are selling a LS Ghisallo frame only) compared with an Extralight at £1990 and Agilis at £1600.

The Spectrum in my view is not as good looking at all!! Its the fusion of old fashioned fancy lugs with carbon fibre and the bare Ti that makes the Cielo the best looking bike since the Colnago Arabesque.
Have you seen a Cielo up close?Caseysdad
Jan 30, 2003 12:47 PM
I've read posts by Tom on the Spectrum forum where he readily admits that the Spectrum version isn't as extensively engraved or adorned with such intricate lugs. If your primary concern is looks, the Cielo is clearly the hands-down choice. However, my understanding is that each Spectrum carbon/ti frame , like all of Tom's frames, is a complete custom build - something that I don't believe is available with the Cielo. IMO, this makes it slightly less of an apples-to-apples comparison.

Definitely wouldn't turn my nose up at either one of these frames!
Have you seen a Cielo up close?Rob Sal
Jan 31, 2003 1:00 AM
All models of Merlin are available as custom, made to measure.
Have you seen a Cielo up close?Caseysdad
Jan 31, 2003 4:36 AM
I stand corrected.
Do they still charge an extra $200 for custom? (nm)ColnagoFE
Jan 31, 2003 12:51 PM
Have you seen a Cielo up close?ryder1
Jan 31, 2003 5:24 AM
What I don't get is: If you were going to get a Merlin made to measure (or stock for that matter), why would'nt you just choose Spectrum full custom and deal directly with the man himself, Tom Kellogg? The frame price is about the same from what I can tell. You'd just have to wait longer.
production time? nmDougSloan
Jan 31, 2003 7:40 AM
My Experience.Len J
Jan 31, 2003 7:44 AM
When I looked at time for a Merlin custom vs a Spectrum custom, I found that Spectrum was longer for the following reasons:

-Tom's design time vs Merlins
-Merlin ships frame to Spectum for QC
-Spectrum Q/C's and assuming accepted, the prepare it and Paint it, this is where Spectrums backlog has historically been.
-Once finished, final inspection and shipping.

I was quoted 4 to 6 weeks on a Merlin Custom TI, and 3 to 6 months on a Spectrum Custom TI

Have you seen a Cielo up close?Rob Sal
Jan 31, 2003 10:47 AM
Ryder, I'm just talking about the Cielo here, I love the Cielo for two reasons, one is the concept of carbon tubes and Ti lugs, the second is the retro styled fancy cutout lugs.
Obviously the Spectrum meets the first reason, and I presume is exactly the same quality (perhaps according to other posts better, as reflected in the wait time, though wait time may be due to less people working at Spectrum and fewer frames being made) but for me the lack of fancy lugs, whilst not subtracting from performance, certainly detracts from the appeal IMO