|What's the deal with GIOS?||cw05|
Jan 23, 2003 9:46 AM
|Are they good bikes? Their frame prices seem really cheap compared to the other Italian chi-chi bikes...I know Roger de Vlaeminck rode a GIOS for the Brooklyn team bike in the 70's the Kelme team used them for a season or two back in the late 90's...but you know how those things go if the riders hate the sponsor...they just rebadge their personal as the sponsor. So, why the price difference from Colnago, Pinarello, De Rosa, etc.|
Jan 23, 2003 10:00 AM
|Gios bikes were more popular back in the 80's. But back then, if it wasn't Italian, it wasn't a highly sought after bike (gross generalization). American frame builders (and cheap Asian frames) have come into popularity and I think they have pushed out some of the smaller Italian builders. I would think they are every bit as good as a Colnago, Pinarello, or De Rosa. It might make for a great, somewhat unique Italian frame.|
|re: Rode one back in the 80's.||dzrider|
Jan 23, 2003 10:16 AM
|It was pretty cool. The model I rode (a Compact) had a very short wheel base so the handling was really quick and the ride a little rough on bumpy roads. Their blue color is beautiful to my eye.
If a company invests in advertising and sponsoring big teams they make more money by either increasing the price of their bikes or increasing sales enough to prduce some economy of scale. Bikes made by lesser known companies are not necessarily inferior or superior just because they are lesser known. Gios, Basso, Viner and probably others have been making fine bikes for many years.
|Anybody have pic's of built up Gios Compact Pro?||853|
Jan 23, 2003 10:33 AM
|Nice looking frame, would be intrested in seeing it built up. And about half the price of a MXL Colnago.|
|Nice dropouts, one colour only! Chrome! I feel 18 again! nm||Spunout|
Jan 23, 2003 11:03 AM
|re: What's the deal with GIOS?||MR_GRUMPY|
Jan 23, 2003 11:09 AM
|Their lugged steel frame is kind of a retro bike. (Cheap and heavy) Not that that is bad or anything.
It would be the same if Bianchi still made a lugged frame.
Gios makes some expensive modern frames as well.
Jan 23, 2003 12:16 PM
|I have a Gios Compact Pro that I've ridden about 9000 miles since buying in June 2001. It's built up with Campy Chorus 10 group and Open Pro wheels, and weighs about 21 pounds with pedals, cages, etc. (My bike is probably heavier than most because I have the chrome fork and a threaded stem with long steerer tube.) These frames are a true bargain at $550 at Excelsports, which is able to sell them for so cheap because they import directly from the manufacturer in Italy. As others mentioned, the Gios blue color is spectacular and a trademark like the Bianchi celeste green. The Compact Pro has some very nice details like chrome fork, lugs, and chain stays. It also has internal cable routing and removeable/adjustable rear dropouts. The quality of finish is excellent, and my frame does not have any rust or paint chips after nearly 2 years and 9000 miles of riding. |
The main issue of concern with Gios is the geometry, which is not very everyone. They have some of the shortest top tubes of any frame -- eg., my frame has 56 c-c seat tube and 55 c-c top tube. However, the angles are very steep (74 degree seat and head tube), so that effectively lengthens the top tube some. The chain stays are also very short, 39 cm when the dropouts are all the way forward. (I have mine moved all the way back for a smoother ride.) I initially had trouble finding a saddle that fit properly due to the steep angles, but found that the Koobi saddles fit great with this frame.
You might think the Gios would have a stiff ride due to the geometry, but that is not so. The frame rides very smoothly, even on rough pavement, and is much more comfortable than the frame it replaced -- an aluminum Bianchi Alloro with carbon fork. Nevertheless, the frame is very stiff in the bottom bracket and my chain has never rubbed the front derailler while standing. For its weight, the Gios is a good climber -- in fact, that is what they were designed for. The Kelme pro team used to ride Gios frames, and they are among the best climbing teams in the world. I recently bought a steel Eddy Merckx Corsa 0.1, which has a much more laid back geometry designed for long rides -- slack seat and head tube angles, longish chain stays -- and I can honestly say that the Gios rides just as smooth if not smoother. (Both bikes have the same wheels, tires and saddles.) The Gios does steer a lot quicker, though, and it's not the sort of frame you want to ride with no hands.
Bottom line: the Gios is an excellent value for an inexpensive steel frame. It has flawless paint and chrome, rides smoothly, and looks sharp if you like chrome and lugs. Just make sure you get sized properly if you buy one because of the geometry, short top tubes and steep angles.
|more firsthand experience||boneman|
Jan 23, 2003 2:50 PM
|I'm with Tarwheel on this one. I have a 1975, bought new, Gios Torino. Made of Columbus SL and I will put it up against any Masi, Colnago or Cinelli of that era as I looked and rode all of them before buying the Gios. It's probably got over 65,000 miles and the only thing I've done is change the headset once and have it repainted by CycleArts. Short top tube and steep seat tube angle? More or less the same as every other Italian builder at that time. As for handling, it remains my favorite and nothing comes close when descending.
The Compact Pro was and is a very nice frame and the more current offerings in steel are excellent value.
|Compact Pro in THAT blue is my dream bike...||cory|
Jan 23, 2003 2:52 PM
|I dreamed of it for about 15 years. When I finally got the money to buy one, I was old and stiff and bought an Atlantis instead, for the comfort. But my NEXT bike...|
|check out www.gios.it||Leroy|
Jan 23, 2003 8:21 PM
|Gios sponsors a team in the Giro. All the current bikes are on the website: a carbon w/ aluminum lugs, aluminum with carbon seatstays [the bike ridden in last yr's Giro], a couple of aluminum frames, and the compact pro. When I bought my Gios a couple of years ago they were out of my size in Compact Pro so I got a 'megalite' - tig welded, same geometry. Great bike. You can ride the thing all day long. I am thinking about going ahead and getting a steel fork Compact Pro w/ record as retro as possible. Love that blue.|
|check out www.gios.it||ParticleMan|
Jan 23, 2003 10:33 PM
|Its a great bike. The legendary Gios was the Torino, with workmanship which surpassed even Colnago, etc. Its not as advanced as some bike companies like Pinarello [Dogma, Prince]or Colnago [C40, C35],Fondriest [TF1] so they save on the huge R&D, marketing,etc which makes the other bikes really pricey. I own a Prince, and soon will be getting a C40, but a Gios is always a respectable Italian marque, and I don't think I will miss much when I ride it.
My advise- go for it!!! you will be pleasantly suprised! You can get 2 Gios for a Prince, 3 for a Dogma, etc,etc!!!
|Sizing is steep and short, but not that bad...||Spunout|
Jan 24, 2003 6:32 AM
|Looking at the Geo, I would choose a 57 C-T. I ride a Lemond 55 right now with a 110 stem. I'd gladly move to a 120mm stem, -10*.
Steel: Not bad, only 400g heavier than Al. Looking at the chrome lugs and BB detail, it is worth it! The mentioned forks seem heavy at 480g, I think there are better choices (get a 45mm rake to smooth out that steep rear end!).
Oh no, I'm getting bike lust again. Time for a cold shower.