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Has this happened to anyone else who is selling bikes here?(38 posts)

Has this happened to anyone else who is selling bikes here?thatsmybush
Jan 22, 2003 4:43 AM
Got an e-mail from out of country saying that a person is buying bikes for resale in west africa and that he wants to ggive whatever the last offer was via USA cashiers check. Sounded very fishy to me. Kind of like that scam to get your bank account #'s.
Get the cheque first, whats the prob?Spunout
Jan 22, 2003 5:19 AM
If you are worried about a West African scam, I would suggest that you not give out your bank account number(?).

Since I am from Canada, please send me your bank account number, and I'll deposit the money for your frame;-)
You know normally I would not replythatsmybush
Jan 22, 2003 5:29 AM
But you are obviously an ass who is incapable of knowing the difference between a serious topic and one to make fun of. It must so cold and frozen in that wasteland that your brain is now functioning as well as your countries economy.
You really aren't serious53T
Jan 22, 2003 5:39 AM
Your question cannot be considered serious. Don't assume anything to do with West Africa (wherever that is) and money and cashier's checks is anything but a scam.

You should know this by now. How old are you?
Why the incredible hostility?gregario
Jan 22, 2003 6:51 AM
Man, did everyone wake up pissed this morning?

For the record, I had a tandem listed on several classifieds websites, including RBR's. I got the same message from two different "people" in Lagos Nigeria offering me $1,000 for it. Yes, it is definitely a scam. I got a laugh out of it and discarded it.
my country's (notice my grammar) has nothing to do with it..Spunout
Jan 22, 2003 6:16 AM
If you are worried about the cashier's (grammar, again) cheque (continental spelling), get it to clear first.

BTW, Canada's economy is growing, USA's is shrinking. You obviously have enough cars on the road guzzling enough Iraqi/Arab/Canadian oil that the market is totally saturated and more cannot be sold. Maybe more reality TV shows will help? I dunno.

It is -40C (with the wind chill) here in the Capital this morning.

Fresh.

grin! no offense to my friends in the USA! Just warming my fingers up this morning.
My country's economy...Frith
Jan 22, 2003 7:00 AM
is the strongest economy in the world right now.
I don't see what that has to do with anything but if you are going to insult a country get your facts right (you got the frozen waste land part right :-). However our country's frozen wasteland is nowhere near as barren as the space your president's ears!
That said spunout's comments were inappropriate and we're withdrawing his status as ambassador.
Regardless of which economy is stronger, Canada...eyebob
Jan 22, 2003 10:04 AM
has the best national anthem by far....

Sing with me now,

Oh Canada, our home and Native land,
true patriot love.........

BT
Now we just wait for the Hockey Game to start ;-) n/mAlpedhuez55
Jan 22, 2003 10:18 AM
I agree with the barren space between the president's ears. nmPaul
Jan 23, 2003 3:45 AM
Big problemRusty Coggs
Jan 22, 2003 5:37 AM
there are scams invovling even fake cashiers checks that can get in your pocket bigtime...idiot.
Hence the reason for my postthatsmybush
Jan 22, 2003 5:44 AM
Had a friend who lost 8,000.00 on a stolen cashiers check for a motorcycle. No bike no 8,000.00. Put the check in the bank 24 hours later found out it was stolen. The reason for my post was to find out if this was happening to others who are trying to sell their bikes not to be questioned as to my maturity and state of mind. If it is happening to others who may be unaware of the situation well then I guess in the future I will just shut up and let them loose their money. Thought this was a forum not an inquistion.
sorry.....Rusty Coggs
Jan 22, 2003 6:19 AM
but if you look at the thread,my idiot remark was directed to Mr. spunout.
sorry.....againRusty Coggs
Jan 22, 2003 6:22 AM
guess I did flub that one....More coffee!
Hence the reason for my postMike-Wisc
Jan 22, 2003 6:25 AM
First off, lighten up.
Second, nobody here knows how many bikes you have for sale so therefore they have no way to know if you are running a business or just had one bike to sell, so therefore they have no way to assume if the person/spambot/scammer who contacted you was replying to a specific ad you placed or if you had been identified by someone as a distributor. The more info you provide the fewer questions there will be and the better responses you will get. Simple really.

Now, as far as some relatively anonymous person contacting you and saying they will meet or beat the highest bid on something you may have had for sale tells me that they have simply scammed your contact info from some site and functionally they probably have no clue as to what you were selling or for how much.

You have a couple of options:
1. Put their contact info into the spambucket, especially if it was not directed specifically to you.
2. Do a little tracking and backtrack to their ISP address and check for validity or for redirection. If you find any blocks or redirections then into the spambucket it goes.
3. Reply to the person asking them specifically what item they were interested in and what their offer price is, and do not give them any info as to what the actual current price of your item is. If legitimate, or if professional, they will be able to tell you exactly what you have for sale and what they will offer. Then, from that point forward let both the buyer and seller beware. It could still be a scam, or legitimate, or you could have just verified your email address for them to sell to other spammers.
4. Counter their gambit. I will not go into this here. If you really want to follow this track then contact your nearest law intelligence and fraud investigation agency and get involved.
All you need is a printerAlpedhuez55
Jan 22, 2003 6:17 AM
Anyone with a laser printer can make a cashiers check that looks real. I would still make sure any check cleared, even a cashiers check, before I would release goods.

I used to work for a company that handled small business money market accounts. We would see many of attempts at fraud by people sending in forged checks for deposit. THey would usually send in a couple of small legit deposits then send in a deposit on either a forged or stolen cashiers check. THey would usually call a couple of days after saying that they sent a cashiers check and wanted the money made available immediately. We would place a call to the bank and they would have no such account or the checks were stolen. THese customers usually had an African accents.

Also keep in mind a check can even be called back after deposited if it is determined fraud was committed. If you do decide to take this offer, be very careful. Tell him you will need to give the check 30 days to clear before you will ship the bike. I would suggest you not take it at all though. It is most likely a scam.

Mike Y.
It's the infamous "Nigerian Scam"Alexx
Jan 22, 2003 6:27 AM
And, if you send them anything, you are an idiot. The check they send you is bogus. You don't find this out until you already send the stuff, then you have no recourse with the government in whatever African hell-hole they are operating from. Please contact the FBI immediately. They've been hitting the high-end cycle market pretty hard lately.
The Adventures of Wendy Wilcox and her dog WilsonKristin
Jan 22, 2003 6:42 AM
http://www.geocities.com/wendy_willcox/

Is there any place on earth called West Africa?
West Africanoveread
Jan 22, 2003 7:00 AM
I think it is in a place called the Midwest... Find that on a map!

Come on people don't be so AR.

But yeah, scam.

Noveread
Are you implying that poeple living in the cental USKristin
Jan 22, 2003 7:26 AM
are more likely to scam others? Perhaps it is true. Perhaps this is how we (the frozen roadies) entertain ourselves on those single digit days, when our bikes stare bleakly at us from their corner perches.

What that hell does AR mean?

Gosh, what a bunch of grumpy bike riders posting here today. Spring is only 47 days away.
"The Frozen Roadies" :) :) :) :) :)Mike-Wisc
Jan 22, 2003 8:01 AM
That'd make a great team name. The frozen roadies, I like that, thanks for the chuckle.

Mike, in single digit land. Had to grab a hat today 'cause I almost froze my hair last night.
Now, now Kristin...noveread
Jan 22, 2003 9:20 AM
Don't read too much into it, I just thought it was silly when people were saying there is no place so named West Africa. Same thing goes for Midwest. And as for those of us who live in the Midwest (I'm in WI btw) the only way there is a scam going on is that we are the ones scammed. During weather like this I wonder why in the h@ll any of us live here. We've either been scmmed into living here, or we're just plain nutz. I'm not sure which is the better scenario...

Noveread
Oh yeah, hey Kristin...noveread
Jan 22, 2003 10:10 AM
Just a reminder of what we get to look forward to in the summer. Hey, if you wanna ride this season in S. WI, drop me a line at fourlakes_99@yahoo.com

Here's a link (my handle was "Wannabe" at the time):

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/csxnscale/ride1/index.html

Makes the cabin fever worse I think...

Noveread
I might take you up on thatKristin
Jan 22, 2003 2:39 PM
I'll be doing long Sunday rides for 12 weeks and want to get out of Dodge, if you know what I mean. :)
Spring is only 47 days away ?PhatMatt
Jan 22, 2003 6:38 PM
Hell I do nto think winter ever came here to Utah. it was 58 yesterday. I have nto heard what it was up to today yet.

Matt
Yeah, just rub it inKristin
Jan 23, 2003 6:18 AM
You'll get your just deserts my pretty!
That is why they need our bicycles! LOL! nmSpunout
Jan 22, 2003 7:20 AM
Hilarious stuff!DaveG
Jan 22, 2003 7:03 PM
Thanks for the link. The Wendy Wilcox site had me laughing out loud for a full 10 minutes. What a great con!
FTC scam alert e-mail address...DougSloan
Jan 22, 2003 7:08 AM
Send suspected scam emails to the FTC at: uce@ftc.gov

I have no idea if they'll act on it, but that's the address to send an alert to.

Doug
re: Has this happened to anyone else who is selling bikes here?geeker
Jan 22, 2003 7:02 AM
Not exactly the "Nigerian Scam", but probably fraudulent. There's been a lot of fraud involving overseas customers paying by fake check or stolen credit card. Indonesia is another big source of problems.

The newsgroup rec.bicycles.marketplace has had some discussion, and I think cautions were suggested:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?E5AF12E23
So here's an idea, borrowed from Wendy and WilsonKristin
Jan 22, 2003 7:29 AM
Email the guy back and tell him that you would really like to support his cause. Tell him that your LBS has given you 10 other bikes to sell. But tell them that you will fly them over yourself because you don't want them to be stolen by unscrupulous airline employees. Have a bit of fun with it. Come on!!
So here's an idea, borrowed from Wendy and WilsonMike-Wisc
Jan 22, 2003 7:57 AM
Use caution with this "fun" angle. You could open yourself up to a reverse-sting or marginal entrapment. You know, kind of like those long distance scams to the carribean country, but if you retaliate they come after you for fraud and harassment.
Never try to rob a thief, and if you do try then know what you're getting into. They may not play by the rules, but are fully ready to call in the law if you play by their rules.

Easiest course of action is to forward the message to abuse@... for any ISP addresses you can find in the message and let the netexperts take care of it. You'll probably just get an automated response back, but sometimes things happen behind the scenes due to this track of action that never makes the press.
Hmmm...I see the dilemaKristin
Jan 22, 2003 9:18 AM
Of course, there are ways to make oneself blend in--remain anonymous, if you will--but I'm really not sure its worth the effort in this case.
IT IS A SCAM...STAY AWAY!!!!!!!CJ838
Jan 22, 2003 9:01 AM
This is a total scam. The check will get deposited by you. It takes 10 days to clear because it's from another country. By then, you've sent the bike and/or anything else you sold them. Then you get a notice from the bank that the check bounced. Unfortunately, you can't stop the shipment. Stay away from any dealings with anyone from Africa that you have not poersonally met and dealt with in the past. It is a scam.

CJ
..wait for the bank draft to clear then. nmSpunout
Jan 22, 2003 9:27 AM
It's a SCAM! READ THIS!davet
Jan 22, 2003 10:56 AM
They are all related to your question. I have received a "cashiers check" from them, which I promptly turned over to the Secret Service, the agency that is handling the 'Nigerian Scam'.

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&threadm=cdde9293.0212261939.2201dda2%40posting.google.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DISO-8859-1%26safe%3Doff%26q%3Dnigerian%2Bscam%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch%26meta%3Dgroup%253Drec.bicycles.marketplace

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&threadm=CxVL9.2858%241a1.295686%40newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net&rnum=2&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DISO-8859-1%26safe%3Doff%26q%3Dnigerian%2Bscam%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch%26meta%3Dgroup%253Drec.bicycles.marketplace

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19022
!!!!!!!!DON'T DO IT!!!!!!!!bugleboy
Jan 22, 2003 12:07 PM
DON'T DO IT!!!! The plan is to send you a cashiers check that for more than the bike correct. He probably doesn't sound do concerned about the bike and what it is, then you will western union the rest to a contact that you don't know with the bike. There is no money to support that check. Your bank will accept it because it is a cashiers check thinking like here in the US that there has already been a money transaction to get the check made. NOT TRUE in this case. The laws there are different. once your bank figures out that there the check isn't any good then you are held responsible for the money and you are out a bike.
here's an easy way to flush it outDougSloan
Jan 22, 2003 2:04 PM
Tell them that you want a cashier's check drawn on a US bank; when you get it, call the bank and verify the check. Pretty simple.

Or, get a US Postal Money Order.

Or, as someone mentioned, tell them you won't ship until the check clears.

Doug