|Info. wanted on Masi 3V||geneyus|
Jan 21, 2003 2:35 PM
|I have a friend who is selling a '98 Masi Team 3V with chorus. I would like to know who made the frame, what steel is used, etc. I'm not to concerned about weight but it would be nice to know. Also, were they still considered nice frames this late in their life. Thanks in advance.|
|re: Info. wanted on Masi 3V||Rusty Coggs|
Jan 21, 2003 3:08 PM
|It was made by Masi in Italy.Faliero Masi was the founder,but may not have brazed the later ones due to his age.The 3V used a unique internal lug. Excellent frame, and the ones Ihave seen used the better Columbus steel(nivacrom, at least in the later ones).The Masi name(at least US rights) was sold to an outfit that is presently pedaling 'Masi' bikes here, made in the Orient. Current Italian frames built by the same family in italy are sold in the US under the Milano name.|
|A little more (not all of which I'm sure of...)||cory|
Jan 21, 2003 4:50 PM
|Seems to me the V stood for Volumetrica, and referred to larger-diameter tubing. When I started getting back into cycling in the '80s after 10 or 12 years as a runner, they were everybody's dream bike, reportedly very stiff and light for the time and with the Magic Name. I saw a frame my size in a pawnshop one time for $400, which was maybe a third of the list price but twice what I could afford. I still regret not snapping it up.|
|probably not an italian bike.||rufus|
Jan 21, 2003 7:15 PM
|if it's a '98, as far as i know, i don't think it was made in italy. i don't know the exact year, but sometime in the late 80's/early 90's, masi production was moved to california. the head builder was very good though, and i believe now builds for rivendell. grant says he built some of the best bikes to ever bear the masi name. however, i believe he built long before '98 though.
check the rivendell site for more info, and if you don't find enough, i'll check through my old bicycling magazines to see if i can track down the article that had most of this info for you
Jan 21, 2003 8:59 PM
|The 3v was only made in italy.It was the one with the internal lugs.Bicyclist tested an italian one in the december 1997 issue.There were Calif masis separae form the Italian ones and they were made concurrently.The calif guy also built Medici and now Simonitti.|
Jan 22, 2003 8:46 AM
|By 1998, Torelli was no longer handling Masi. Shortly afterwards, Schwinn distributed them for a brief period of time. The last of the Torelli-Masis were sold in 1997.
Starting in 1995, the Masi Tre Volumetrica and Team 3V frames used Nivacron tubing. Before 1995, Reynolds 753 was used. The Team 3V used fastback seatstays while the Tre Volumetrica had stays brazed to the side of the seat lug. The Team 3V had a flat fork crown in earlier years and a sloping crown in later years. The Tre Volumetrica had a flat crown.
All indications from Torelli were that both of these frames were imported from Italy rather than California-built.
Tullio's Big Dog Cyclery
LaSalle, IL 815-223-1776
|well, this is what the article said...||rufus|
Jan 22, 2003 9:39 AM
|actually, it was in the oct. 1989 issue of bicycle guide, about legendary italian bike builders, and the masi mentioned was the gran criterium.
it said that in 1973, masi packed up his production facilities and with three of his most trusted employess, including framebuilder mario confente, moved to california. masi stayed there for three years overseeing production, and then moved back to italy in retirement, collecting royalties on each frame produced.
confente left after five years to start his own company, and production was left in the hands of ted kirkbride, who had been under contract to build wheels and special frame projects for masi. at the time this article was written, kirkbride and his assistant joe stark(the guy who now builds for rivendell) were producing all the frames made there.
the following is a direct quote from the article: "while the gran criterium is no longer masi's sole product(the company also makes the oversized-tubed volumetrica, and imports two framesets-the gran corsa and the nuovo strada-from an independent italian builder), it is still the bike that masi wants to be identified with."
perhaps this article was also mistaken, but from the sounds of it, it appears that masi's production facilities were moved to california as far back as 1973.
|well, this is what the article said...||Rusty Coggs|
Jan 22, 2003 1:11 PM
|well,Torellei was the importer of the one tested in 97 bicyclist and it had the Faliero Masi signature on the toptube.|
|perhaps torelli was the distributer...||rufus|
Jan 22, 2003 4:28 PM
|but didn't necessarily import them. and it could have faliero's signature no matter where it was built. i would assume he was dead by 1997.|
|perhaps torelli was the distributer...||Heron Todd|
Jan 22, 2003 7:43 PM
|I was a Torelli dealer and still have their catalogs. They clearly state that the Tre Volumetrica and Team 3V (and a couple of other models) were imported.
Tullio's Big Dog Cyclery
Jan 22, 2003 8:27 PM
|It was stated Torelli was the IMPORTER,and Faliero was alive and refered to at the time the aticle was written.|
|Yep, Faliero Masi lived until Y2k.||djg|
Jan 23, 2003 9:45 AM
You can also go to Alberto Masi's web site to read about the bikes he still produces at the Vigorelli.
|re: Info. wanted on Masi 3V||pinarello|
Jan 22, 2003 9:52 AM
|I use to own a Russian 3B, B was in place of the V. This was a very limited bike, only 100 were made. These units, all of them were made in California. Thats what the name plate on the headtube said and that's what the bike shop also told me. I believe I bought it in 91 and waited 13 weeks to get this bike. This bike was great for climbing, and sprinting. Catapult|| |