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The problem with being a poser(42 posts)

The problem with being a poserPODIUMBOUNDdotCA
Jan 20, 2003 6:59 AM
I have a huge problem with posers... people who buy a bike and then the full team kit and ride around like they are a pro. Here the frame companies get what they pay millions of dollars to the team for... and the guy goes around and buys the fulls team kit which the team and the riders get a royalty for which helps support our sport. HOW DARE THEY!

With some riders making a very small wage of about $30,000 US per year even on a very big team this is exactly what our sport needs.

how dare who what?MJ
Jan 20, 2003 7:07 AM
that is the most confusing post I've read in a while
I'll second thatmickey-mac
Jan 20, 2003 7:10 AM
From what I can determine, Nick is complaining because companies pay money to sponsor pro teams and advertise through team kit. When "posers" go out in the same gear they somehow dilute the efforts of those hard working and underpaid pros. At least that's my guess.
good guess/translationMJ
Jan 20, 2003 7:18 AM
I've learned to never assume - maybe Nick could put it into English for us?
Tongue in cheek?ms
Jan 20, 2003 7:19 AM
I read the post and was confused. But, then I thought that Nick's last line may have been an attempt at humor. Your guess is as good as mine.
I read it againmickey-mac
Jan 20, 2003 7:26 AM
I think you may be right. Now I think he's trying to say that the "posers" actually help support pros. I'll read it again in five minutes and provide my third interpretation. ;-)
Nick wants you to buy his uniformKristin
Jan 20, 2003 7:46 AM
Do you make that in an XL? And can you wash those shorts before you ship them? Thanks.
Jan 20, 2003 7:28 AM
Here is the key: "...which the team and the riders get a royalty for which helps support our sport."

I think he's saying to buy the team stuff, because it supports the teams. In other words, he's defending "posers" on the basis that they spend money which is funnelled to the teams.

You have to be pretty good to carry off sarcasm on the internet.

I understood it when I read it...fbg111
Jan 20, 2003 6:28 PM
I just thought all the responses were trying to be sarcastic too.
This is the most retarded argument yetLazywriter
Jan 20, 2003 2:54 PM
and the fact that you try to make sense of what this bucket head says is even more ridiculous. With all the pro team wear that is marketed to consumers form the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL etc, is this even an issue????????
Is someone not allowed to wear a Micheal Jordan jersey without being labelled a poser???? Nick, you don't seem like the brightest bulb so I will cut you some slack but I think this is a thinly veiled egotistical way on your part to say that people have to "earn" the right to wear a jersey like you national jersey or whatever the fu(k you accomplished. Guys like MickeyMac may not call you on your bullsh$%, but I will. Happy New Year. LOL
your huge problem isn't your problemishmael
Jan 20, 2003 7:11 AM
you arent pro. Leave it to someone whose business it is to complain about. Besides, I think your logic is backwards. The guy just having fun wearing the team kit wears it BECAUSE of the pros. It isn't an example of free advertising, it's advertising that's worked.
Jan 20, 2003 7:20 AM
You don't hear people calling other people who wear their favourite hockey/baseball/basketball kit posers...even when they're at the game stuffing their fat faces with hotdogs. These people are called "fans". This is how sports develope especially in N.A. Not that I would consider baseball a sport...I'm just saying :-)
agreedJames OCLV
Jan 20, 2003 7:38 AM
At least the cyclist in the team kit is actually participating in the sport...

There's a guy sitting in the office next to me (dress-down because of the holiday) wearing a Mets team jersey with the name "Piazza" on the back. It's never crossed my mind whether or not he was a poser. He's a fan. Why would it be any different for a cyclist in team garb? If anything, it's helping the sport.

I could understand you being upset if he RACED in the Team Kit, but that's another matter entirely.
that's what I said...Frith
Jan 20, 2003 8:25 AM
I think... or at least that's what I meant to convey. I think we agree. If you disagree with this statement please let me know. agreed? as long as we're in agreement.
that's what I said... I agreeJames OCLV
Jan 20, 2003 8:38 AM
: ). I should have said "I second that", or something to that affect...
Sarcasm doesn't read well...biknben
Jan 20, 2003 7:26 AM
I assume you're trying to be sarcastic. Sarcasm doesn't read well, especially on the internet. We can't hear the tone of your voice, or see your expressions and gestures. We just read what you write.

OTOH, if that wasn't an attempt at sarcasm, then I have no idea what you are talking about.
The sarcasm reads fine. Its the grammar that threw me off.Kristin
Jan 20, 2003 7:49 AM
But who am I to complain? I abhor proofreading. Besides, what else would we have done with out time this morning, if not pondered Nicks post here? Gosh, I certainly not our jobs! lol
That's it then....Mike-Wisc
Jan 20, 2003 7:58 AM
... I'm going home and remove all the tags off my jeans, and at lunch I'm going to strip off all the name badging off my car, tomorrow I'll peel and destitch off the names on my athletic shoes, and maybe in a week I'll get out the sander and heat gun and strip off all the manufacturer names off my bicycle and components. I mean, afterall, I'm not being paid to advertise those items, so why should I? I mean, many if not most people in this country earn less than $30,000/year, so why should they spend what little money they get advertising products. In fact, I think I'll just continue to peel off the little stickers from the apples I get at the store, only now I'll roll the stickers up into little balls so nobody will be able to read them. And when all is said and done I just hope I don't grind a hole into the side of the coffee can as I remove the name from it, that would be a bit of a mess.

Hey, does anyone have a good method to remove the Haynes sticker from my underwear? I wouldn't want to upset Hey, wait just a minute here, does pay any royalties to roadbikereview? Delete that right now mister, how dare you not pay me royalties for opening up your post thereby advertising that web link to anyone who happens to be looking over my shoulder at the moment.

The utter nerve of some people.
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Peel the apple stickers off AFTER you check outKristin
Jan 20, 2003 8:31 AM
The lady at the register gets testy if you have removed the stickers and don't remember the PLU number so she can charge you properly. And remember...always practice responsible lable peeling!
I'm putting V-TEC and "Type R" decals on my OCLV! (nm)PseuZQ
Jan 20, 2003 11:14 AM
Hard to get 'local' kitfracisco
Jan 20, 2003 8:32 AM
Anybody can buy the big, European pro-team kit. It's the USA-based Div 1 and Div 2 kit that it near impossible to get, unless the team is sponsored by a big company (like Cannondale's sponsorship of 7-Up).

Local sponsors of cycling in North America would be better served if recreational riders wore their kit. I wouldn't care if a guy wore a Navigator's kit, or 7-Up kit, a local shop kit, or whatever, as long as the rider is acting safe and having a good time.
Would you wear a local teams kit if you didn't ride with them?Kristin
Jan 20, 2003 8:36 AM
I see local team jerseys on sale at some shops, but eegads, why would I buy one? First of all, someone might see me riding in it and think I ride for that team. How embarrasing for the poor team. Second, someone from the team may spot me in it and want to ride with me. How embarrasing for me. Just plain colors for me thanks.
I would not, but I'm not everybodyfracisco
Jan 20, 2003 8:54 AM
I would not go into a shop and buy local team kit, but there are people that might consider it. A couple of local shops sell kit 'over the counter' that has the same sponsor logos as the team kit, but with different colors. I occasionally see people in Mercury or Navigators gear. Isn't that better than seeing Kelme or Coast?

I don't have a problem with people wearing local team kit. Face it, though, that to buy local team kit, you usually have to have a team connection, or have a club card or team card at the shop. Some small local teams that don't sell through a shop will offer their kit to friends and family to increase their buy and help reduce the overall price (I would wear this team kit around).
Best troll i've seen in a whilerrodrigz
Jan 20, 2003 8:47 AM
It's a classic coup when you get baited to respond to a troll post and you don't even know wether you're for or against the post.
Jan 20, 2003 8:49 AM
It is pretty good, even if by accident, when you can get people arguing both sides against you -- sort of the opposite of a good politician, who tries to got both sides to agree. :-)

Most likely a poser...regulajo
Jan 20, 2003 9:11 AM
unless the USPS team has decided to train on Colnagos.
Perfect example!GilStephens
Jan 20, 2003 9:31 AM
Here's a guy with Nike logos wearing Sidis, and a big "Trek" across the chest riding Colnago. Heck, he probably even uses Hotmail, MasterCard, and UPS!!!

Naw...that's Floyd Landis on Leipheimer's bike! nmseyboro
Jan 20, 2003 9:34 AM
wrongThe Human G-Nome
Jan 20, 2003 9:41 AM
he's the exact opposite of a poser. no one could mistake a guy on a Colnago wearing USPS as a poser since it would never happen in the pros. plus, he's got on the all black winter bib tights. the guy doesn't understand fashion worth a lick, but no one would EVER mistake him for a pro and he's not even close to poser. anyone, would assume they could drop this guy on a climb, but i'd gladly have a beer with him at the local pub when the ride was through. i'm sure he could knock them back.
great guy..,Leroy
Jan 20, 2003 10:27 AM
supporting the sport, spending plenty of money on good equipment. And - he is actually riding instead of whining on this board. What we have here is the usual class envy so prevalent in politics. Them that ain't got the money evvy them that do; them not in shape envy them that be in shape...except this guy is doing something about it! What's wrong with that? Where do you buy stuff with no logo on them?
I agreebsdc
Jan 20, 2003 11:18 AM
He's out riding and we're sitting in front of the dang computer.
There's an inherent problem with this whole poser thingamflyer
Jan 20, 2003 9:25 AM
By def., a "poser" is someone who "poses." A "pose" is, according to Merriam-Webster, "to affect an attitude or character usually to deceive or impress."

Unless the rider is claiming to be a pro and isn't...seems like it doesn't fit.

In any case, I'm getting puzzled about what to wear while riding. Too plain of a jersey, your not serious. Team jersey, you're a poser. Primal wear, your just a dork. Wear nothing, you're Missy Giove.


(Do they make powerbars with Zoloft?)

Hey! I LIKE this guy!GilStephens
Jan 20, 2003 9:32 AM
There's an inherent problem with this whole poser thingThe Human G-Nome
Jan 20, 2003 9:44 AM
this game is created so cyclists can't win. it would seem that what cyclists crave the most (besides expensive gear) is someone to sneer at. by making it possible to sneer at absolutely everyone (save a pro), they're constantly able to fulfil their sneer quota. it's win/win for the self-conscience, hyper-sensitive fashion police.
AHHAH I'm Laughing my Ass Off On This Post.. NM and Thanks!CARBON110
Jan 20, 2003 9:58 AM
<sincerity> Thanks. I REALLY needed that! </sincerity> nmGilStephens
Jan 20, 2003 10:00 AM
Ya know, I used to fence sabre in college...joekm
Jan 20, 2003 10:20 AM
That could get a tad "elitist" as well but at least all the BS went away by the first point.

I find it real hard to get too worked up about what gear someone owns. If it's OK to wear a team football jersey to support your team than why not wear a USPS jersey to support that team?

When I first started fencing, I showed up my first time on the strip with my jersey on backwards. Now, THAT is a gear problem that should be corrected. Another time, I decided not to wear a glove thinking the bell would protect my hand. A cut open knuckle later and I realized THAT was a gear problem.

If it's safe and it works, I'm not going to be concerned with what it looks like.

BTW - what's wrong with Primal Wear?
Primal wearamflyer
Jan 20, 2003 11:10 AM
Answer: nothing I can think of.

Funny story: where I come from, P.W. has a bad rap for some reason. I recently told someone I got a new jersey...and was asked with much trepidation, "It's not a Primal Wear, is it?"

Even thought it wasn't, I answered "yeah, it is. They're cool because so many people don't like them."

I got the most puzzled look, but my "logic" made sense to said person. So maybe "posing" will catch on as an alternative lifestyle and become popular. Sort of like the punk thing. It's a vicious circle.

That said, I like and wear some of the PW stuff. Take that, world...

Hey PODIUMBOUNDdocCA, isn't the REAL problem ...GrabTheBarsAndHurt
Jan 20, 2003 11:23 AM
... people who have websites, and have messages on said websites that they are going to have a section up and running by ... say ... November 2002, when in all actuality that message is still displayed in ... say ... mid-January 2003?????

If you have any questions ... check your pictures link on ;-)
Ugh... what I was saying posers are goodPODIUMBOUNDdotCA
Jan 20, 2003 4:12 PM
They support the pro riders and dilute or add on top of what companies have to pay. Hence its exactly what our sport needs. Like you buy a membership every year and get the kit.

Next time I'll be more clear in what I say... I thought the general direction of the post going towards saying the "posers" making the teams money through royalty would have been the hint.

Maybe it is a good idea not to be too clear . . .ms
Jan 20, 2003 5:37 PM
If you had been perfectly clear, you probably would have gotten a response or two. Instead, the ambiguity of your post sparked a lot of responses and fun. You engaged many people in discussion. That's why we are here. I would call your post a success, even if it was received in a way that you did not intend.

P.S. I agree with what you said (or were intending to say). Companies that sponsor cycling merit support -- whether by our purchasing team kits with company logos or our buying the sponsors' products themselves.
Ugh... what I was saying posers are goodThe Human G-Nome
Jan 20, 2003 6:09 PM
well, your post was 100% obvious to me the first time i read it (and i couldn't agree with you anymore). no idea why we had so much confusion. even with the limitations of the translation of sarcasm through the internet it was clear.