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New Serotta Legend Ti(40 posts)

New Serotta Legend TiLen J
Jan 17, 2003 12:48 PM
I've put about 400 miles on my Legend since I got it right before Christmas so I thought I'd take a minute to do a quick review.

I was worried about two things when I ordered the bike, 1.) the 2 CM of spacers to get the bars up and 2.) The color. Well I'm happy to say that I am thrilled with both. As you can see, my LBS used a stainless spacer which matched my stainless King Headset & I like the look. Now if I could only find a stainless stem. I intend to reduce the spacers to 1 cm as my back continues to heal, with either a 90 degree stem or by lowering the bars. The paint color is deeper and richer than the picture shows. I love the look in person.

The quality of the bike from the paint to the alignment to the build is flawless. I couldn't be happier. I have always admired Serotta's from afar but the more I am around this bike, the more impressed I become.

The ride is exactly what I wanted. Stiff in the drivetrain yet compliant for the rider. I wanted a bike that would be comfortable over long distances (80 plus miles) and so far (longest ride 60) the longer I go the more comfortable it becomes. I spec'ed slightly longer chainstays and a geometry that raised the bars to about 1.5 cm below the saddle and the fitter did the rest. It feels like no other bike I have ever ridden, inspiring a sense of confidence while still feeling like it wants to get up and go, not a hint of slugishness, yet extremely comfortable. The final verdict won't be in till I do a long ride but so far, no regrets.

MoreLen J
Jan 17, 2003 12:50 PM
Here is a picture of the Seat tube/BB
Jan 17, 2003 1:22 PM
Stainless stemNessism
Jan 17, 2003 3:19 PM
Dave Bohm, or any deceint framebuilder, can make you one. The parts are available from Ceeway in England

Ceeway here
(the ornate parts can be modified as required)

re: New Serotta Legend Ticdale02
Jan 17, 2003 1:12 PM
Great looking bike - I like the color a lot.

How do you like the fork? that is the Serotta F1 correct? do you have experience with other carbon forks that you can use as a comparison?
It's an F2 IT fork.Len J
Jan 17, 2003 1:23 PM
It's made by Reynolds for them, it's all carbon with Titanium Drop[outs and crown race.

I have an Icon air rail (Steel steerer) on my Lemond. However, any attempt to compare would be difficult at best, since the bikes themselves are so different. The Lemond is Steel vs the Legend's Ti, the Lemond is a smaller frame that requires a dramatic drop to the bars while the Legend is mu[ch more comfortable. I'm not trying to waffle, but I would find it difficult to tell you anything worthwile.

Nice bike and a few ??Fez
Jan 17, 2003 1:17 PM
Wow, that looks like a dream bike. Hopefully it will make you want to ride more.

Is that a slightly sloping top tube? If so, is the top tube actually raised near the head tube to bring the bars up, or is the top tube lowered near the seat collar to produce a tad bit more standover, or is it a little of both?

I'm with you on the stainless stem - all the ones I see these days are black, but I think your setup looks great anyway.
2 degree slopeLen J
Jan 17, 2003 1:37 PM
The intention was to both give me adequate standover and get the front end up. In addition the Headtube was extended 2 cm.

Why didn't you just use a positive rise stem?ColnagoFE
Jan 17, 2003 1:18 PM
Seems like that might have take care of some of the need for that many spacers.
Flexibility.Len J
Jan 17, 2003 1:40 PM
I am recovering from a compression fracture in my back and while I knew I wanted a taller front end, I wasn't really sure of how tall. So I spec'ed it this way which gives me room to either remove spacers and lower the bars (they will still be higher than my old bike) or replace with a 90 degree stem.

I still like the look of flatter stems better than riser stems.

nice, very niceweiwentg
Jan 17, 2003 1:23 PM
Ignore the stem police and ride the thing. sorry to hear about the back :(
Congratulations on the new ride. (nm)Scot_Gore
Jan 17, 2003 1:40 PM
Very nice, Len.look271
Jan 17, 2003 1:59 PM
Looks sweet. I know a guy who has similar construction on a custom steel Williams frame (higher head tube, etc.) Works great for him. What kind of bottle cages are those? Pretty cool looking and different.
Nice bike, Len.Jon Billheimer
Jan 17, 2003 2:03 PM
I see you went with Speedplay pedals. That's what I've got on my bike, and I wouldn't ever switch. I also like the paint job, with the polished ti down toward the bb. Hope your back heals so you can drop that front end a bit. Looks like you're going to be catching a lot of air up front! BTW, what are the wheels?
Open Pro's laced to D/A Hubs.Len J
Jan 17, 2003 2:11 PM
15/16 guage 2x front & 14/15 2x non drive side rear with 3 x drive side

Balance is always between air and comfort. I can ride in the drops almost indefinatly with this setup and have less frontal area than most people riding on the hoods.

Comfort, comfort, comfort = efficiency over longer rides.

Nitto Race. I like them too. Thanks. nmLen J
Jan 17, 2003 2:08 PM
Saw a guy spend $216 for four of them at local LBS, didn't havechopper
Jan 17, 2003 2:22 PM
heart to tell the guy that he could have gotten them off of Rivendell's site for around $140. I also didn't want to say it in front of the owner!
They were $30 each. nmLen J
Jan 17, 2003 7:18 PM
nice bike...C-40
Jan 17, 2003 2:54 PM
Nice looking bike. If you want to reduce the spacers without lowering the brake hoods, consider a change in handle bars. The ones that you are using appear to drop the levers by 1-2cm. Bars like Deda 215 anatomic and Easton EC-90 are both very flat across the top. The brake hoods will be a lot higher with either model. The drop section of the Easton bars is deeper, providing more room for large hands.

I also recommend the Ritchey WCS stem. It's a little taller than some other brands, with an 84 degree angle. If you flip it to 96 degrees, it will raise the bars by 2cm. Flipping the stem will require a 1cm longer stem for the same reach.
Thanks.Len J
Jan 17, 2003 7:21 PM
It is a ritchey 84 degree on there now. I intend to play with it expecting to end up under 1 cm of spacers, the only question is is how much drop.

Good idea on the bars. I picked these based on the ergonomics, I love the way the drops fiot my hands.

I think the fine tuning is as much fun as the original buy.

Jan 17, 2003 2:59 PM
Congrats, Len. Beautiful specimen of one of the most beautiful bikes out there.
The Serottas areLazywriter
Jan 17, 2003 3:17 PM
very nice and your bike in particular looks beautiful with the paint/bare ti combo. I also ride my Open Pros on my Vortex and some say I should upgrade as the frame is "worthy" of "better" wheels. For the $ there are no better wheels than a hand built Open Pro. They aren't much heavier than Ksyriums and are bulletproof.
As far as the riser stem, it is nice not to have any unsupported steerer tube if you are rideing a carbon steerer. A riser stem could get rid of the spacers and increase the safety and strength of the fork. However, if you are beneath the manufacturers recommendation, you should be fine. Very nice bike and I like the fact that you don't have 9 inches of seatpost showing. For some reason it has become chic to ride small frames. Good luck with it and I mean that even if I called you a douchebag in the past ( I am not sure if I did but the probablility is high, LOL)
You haven't (although you've probably thought it). nmLen J
Jan 17, 2003 7:22 PM
Thanks JT, Did you get your..........Len J
Jan 18, 2003 4:54 PM
seven back yet?

get a steelman stem in nickel...colker
Jan 17, 2003 3:15 PM
less bolts. elegant. steel.
So when are you going to ride with us again?MB1
Jan 17, 2003 3:42 PM
Miss M is looking for adventure and we've got some dirt roads that need exploring.
Hope I'll be ready for you guys around March.Len J
Jan 17, 2003 7:25 PM
Longest so far is about 60, I'm trying to extend my time by 20 or 30 minutes per weekend, but travel and weather has gotten in the way.

Jan 17, 2003 4:01 PM
I know an accident is never worth anything, but at least a shiny new Serotta is some kind of consolation. Glad to hear you're back in the saddle again. Though, aren't you cold??? I've barely traveled between my car and the door these past 2 weeks.
Jan 17, 2003 4:36 PM
If I had a bike that nice, I wouldn't let a little cold weather stand in the way of a ride.
Cold?Len J
Jan 17, 2003 7:27 PM
I find it's all attitude (down to about 20). Once I get dressed & out in it it is wonderful. There is something about the crispness that wakes both my mind & body up.

What else was in the running?Caseysdad
Jan 17, 2003 4:14 PM
Gorgeous bike! I'm sure you've got many, many blissfull miles ahead of you.

I'm currently in the market for a new frame and the Legend is very close to the top of my list. If you don't mind my asking, what other frames - ti or other material - did you consider before settling on this one? What was it about the Legend that tipped the scales in its favor?
What else was in the running?Fez
Jan 17, 2003 4:36 PM
I think Seven is a company that usually is considered as well.

If I was to do the custom thing, I would consider the Serotta Legend Ti or the Seven Axiom Ti.
Been thinking about this for awile........Len J
Jan 17, 2003 7:39 PM
and knew that I wanted custom to get the front end up & lengthen the chainstays.

I wanted Ti for the type of riding I do. This combined with Custom reduced the choices to Seven, Serotta, Spectrum, Merlin, Lightspeed, Holland and Dean.

Eliminated the others for the following reasons:

Seven, They don't paint TI so I would have had to send it out since I don't like the all industrial all Ti look plus I'm not a big fan of the wound up fork

Merlin, Had too many questions about their quality. May be heresay but when you are spending this much money.

Lightspeed, Frankly I guess I'm vain, I see these everywhere and didn't want a "Cookie cutter" frame for this kind of money.

Holland, I was intruiged by this but didn't want to either go to Calif for the fitting or get fit over the phone.

Dean, Honestly, didn't know enough about them.

That left Serotta & Spectrum. The Spectrum attraction was getting fitted by Tom Kellogg as Allentown is only a few hours away. Ultimatly, I had heard too many horror stories about Merlin (even though I knew that Tom would QC the frame). I also didn't want to wait the months it would take to get the bike.

In the interest of full disclosure, I have always wanted a Serotta since the first day I saw one. Once I rode one I was hooked. So I'm not honestly sure that any other bike had a chance, although I did look extensively in an effort to make sure I wasn't missing anything.

re: New Serotta Legend Tikoala
Jan 17, 2003 5:31 PM
Refreshing single color and polished ti in a world of multi-colored bikes. Hope the back heals quickly.
Len, order one my size next time!Tig
Jan 17, 2003 5:55 PM
That turned out really nice! I love what Serotta does with Ti and steel. Several people I ride with have custom Legend's and have been riding them for years. One guy even rides 18000-20000 miles a year on his (maybe he should hang out with MB1 and Miss M!). Only one person out of the eight Legend owners has bought another bike within the last few years, but he doesn't count! I'd love one myself. Make sure it has a 51.5 seat tube and a 53.8 top tube, OK? I like the paint on yours better than the ones I've seen. I'm sure you'll be happy for many miles and smiles. Nice job!

Consider a polished aluminum stem from Thomson:
That is beautiful!!MVN
Jan 17, 2003 8:22 PM
That's a very elegant bike. Finish is gorgeous. I hope you continue to heal quickly so you can start enjoying it more and more!
what is that color?rufus
Jan 18, 2003 8:06 AM
some kind of burgundy or ruby?
Candy Apple Red. nmLen J
Jan 18, 2003 4:55 PM
Beautiful bike Len!js5280
Jan 18, 2003 10:36 AM
Glad to hear you healing up well and out riding.

Quick personal update, still unemployed but I just started a M.S. Management program at Regis University here in Denver. I like the program a lot and I can squeak by on student loans till a decent job comes along. Wouldn't mind even a part-time job waiting tables or something but even those have been very hard to find. Enjoy your new ride!
Glad to hear it..........Len J
Jan 18, 2003 4:56 PM
sounds like you decided to make the most of a tough situitation. Good Luck

Thanks for the good wishes.