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Ullrich's chances(17 posts)

Ullrich's chancesesbike
Jan 13, 2003 3:28 PM
Ullrich has signed with Team Coast. I'm not so familiar with this team, but wonder what chances that gives him for the tour this year, even allowing for a complete recovery from his knee problem which is also reported to still be an issue. Lance did and interview and had these comments:

Armstrong was also critical of Jan Ullrich, who yesterday announced that he would be signing for Team Coast for three years. "That's his problem, but I don't think that this is the best way to re-launch his career," he said. "For sure, isn't he going to make good money? That isn't the attitude of champion. But that won't stop Pevenage, his coach, to continue to tell him that everything is going well."

"It's disappointing. If I would have been in his place, the only thing that I would have done is to sign with Bjarne Riis. Ullrich needed to face up to his responsibilities. A one year contract for zero francs: that's I would have done!"
re: Ullrich's chancesmohair_chair
Jan 13, 2003 3:49 PM
Armstrong is just saying out loud what a lot of people believe, which is that hooking up with Bjarne Riis at CSC was the ideal situation for Ullrich, damn the money. It's hard to argue with that. Ullrich came of age riding with Riis, and had his greatest success riding with Riis. Riis by all accounts was a father figure for Ullrich, which Ullrich really needs.

Armstrong wants a strong Ullrich as a challenger more than anyone. It's no fun beating up on little guys all the time.
Armstrong loves to play mind gamesNiwot
Jan 13, 2003 7:43 PM
Armstrong carefully calculates his comments to try to mess with Ullrich's mind. He always says Ullrich shoulda done this, Ullrich shoulda done that, always trying to make Ullrich second-guess whatever he does and make him think he's not as strong as he needs to be, or whatever.

Maybe it works, maybe not, but LA's remarks are definitely calculated and you shouldn't assume that they necessary represent his real opinion.
weak Ullrich is bad for Lancecyclopathic
Jan 14, 2003 6:55 AM
when you don't have clear contender it is easy to get caught. Past 2 tours you had 2 teams dominating tour Postal-ONCE and Postal-Telecom and it made controlling peloton and calculating moves easy. Now imagine tour developing the same way as Giro or Vuelta.
I'd rather see that, wouldn't you?Niwot
Jan 14, 2003 11:17 AM
The Giro last year was the most exciting grand tour from a spectator's point of view in several years. In contrast, the GC competition at the TdF was no competition at all and thus not entertaining. If the 2003 TdF was more like the 2002 Giro and less like the 2002 TdF, I'd be all for that.
yeap same herecyclopathic
Jan 14, 2003 2:07 PM
unfortunately that's what Lance doesn't want to see happening. Like Cipo he wants to get on the train with final destination at the top of podium no chances taken.

When you have to many unknowns even Johan Bruyneel can miscalculate: look how he lost Vuelta for Herras.
Seems Ullrich may have an entourage problem..........nmchopper
Jan 13, 2003 4:07 PM
re: Ullrich's chances ...just went south!seyboro
Jan 13, 2003 4:15 PM
Ullrich went where the mighty Euro ruled. COAST are an aging squad with Zuelle and Escartin. It shows his agenda, that Ullrich would have signed with Phonak, had the COAST deal fallen through. PHONAK!!! Like they say in Downtown Deutschland: Money talks, BS walks...
I wish you were wrong, but I have to agreeweiwentg
Jan 13, 2003 5:39 PM
btw, doesn't Coast have Casero, not Escartin (who retired??)? I would definitely have signed with Rijs, and for that matter I would probably have ditched Pevenage. but I'm not Jan Ullrich. Coast looks to be a second-rate team. sorry, Coast fans, that's just my personal, not very well informed opinion.
Yep, it's Casero.seyboro
Jan 13, 2003 6:45 PM
re: Ullrich's chancesMountainPro
Jan 14, 2003 4:30 AM
Jan is coming back to this sport as a bit of an unknown quantity, i hope he is fit and judging by his latest pics he really has been training hard coz he looks hard and aggressivly fit. He's got that knee injury which might hold him back and a ban to overcome in March but i feel if anyone can unseat Armstrong its Ullrich.

i am a fan of Armstrong bit i think he is too critical of other riders. He always starts these wars of words then everyone jumps on his side. I still havent forgiven him for his disgraceful comments about Pantani during the 2000 tour de france.

Armstrong needs someone to drive him, he needs competition to motivate him and he wants Ullrich to be at his peak fitness, otherwise its no fun to beat an out-of-condition has-been. Hopefully the photos dont lie and Ullrich comes back and defeats Armstrong. That would make me happy. I have equal respect for both riders but i think Armstrong has had too much of the limelight and should keep his arrogant comments to himself, he is not a psychologist and hes trying to get other riders to hate him in order to give them the motivation to give him a proper challenge but he is going about it the wrong way. He should let his riding to the talking and stop being so critical.
Thanks guys.
re: Ullrich's chancesLeroy
Jan 14, 2003 5:44 AM
I've got this nagging hunch that Jan is done, after this knee thing surfaced. I seem to remember it runs in his family. I hope I'm wrong.
It seems that the dollars do rule!BigLeadOutGuy
Jan 14, 2003 5:59 AM
Unfortunalty it seems that Jan went where the money was at. I think that CSC would have been a better fit for him and a better grand tour team as well. But he wanted the money more than a better opportunity to win. He should have ditched Penavage as well...obviously he hasnt been able to get it done for Jan in the past and Jan wanted a fresh start so what better way then out with the old and in with the new?
But who knows, there may have been other reasons as well, coast is a german team, Jan is german...maybe there were more personal reasons involed that we dont know.
I guess well find out after march thou =)
Coast ranked 5th - can't be that bad!MRS
Jan 14, 2003 8:24 AM
I am not a Coast fan, and I believe that Riis would have been a good option for Jan Ullrich, but Team Coast is definitely NOT a bad team. They placed 5th in the UCI team ranking, even though Casero (won the Vuelta in 2001) was injured for a good part of the season. Other riders besides Casero are Zuelle (Tour de Suisse 2002, 2 Vuelta victories I think, several podium finishes in the Tour), Garmendia, Beltran or Plaza, to name a few. It looks like a strong team to me. Plus Wolfram Lindner is a coach with a very good reputation.

I am also a little disappointed by Lance Armstrong. I have great respect for what he does on and (most of the time) off the bike, but Jan Ullrich's reasons to sign with Coast are none of his business, so he should have kept his mouth shut.
Coast ranked 5th - can't be that bad!seyboro
Jan 14, 2003 11:57 AM
Well, COAST have gotten some solid results, but would not be considered a major player in a big stage race. Mapei were easily the strongest team on UCI points for a long time, but, if memory serves,did not mount much of a challenge other than one Giro with Garzelli.
Coast ranked 5th - can't be that bad!MRS
Jan 14, 2003 12:08 PM
You are right about Mapei. Part of Armstrong's success is having a strong team. Take away LA from the US Postal team, and then see how they would do. Sure, they do have Roberto Heras, but would he win the Tour? Maybe not. Coast just didn't have a strong rider for a big stage race last year, although I think Casero managed to finish in the top ten in the Vuelta after some serious knee problems. I think the team can be a main contender if they have a good rider to ride for, such as Jan Ullrich if he makes it back. I am not saying they are as good as US Postal or ONCE, I am just saying they aren't as bad as most people seem to think.
Its not like he had cancer or was shot....Bruno S
Jan 14, 2003 3:19 PM
he has very good chances of returning to his old condition and I think that the team (CSC vs Coast) is not such a big factor.

Lance (AKA Mr. Perfect) is always critical of all riders except his current team members.