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Steel Road Bikes - 853??(24 posts)

Steel Road Bikes - 853??toomanybikes
Jan 13, 2003 8:54 AM
I have decided it is time to buy a new bike and given my status as a registered dinosaur would lean towards a steel bike.

I have always ridden steel, though I do have some ALU and ALU/Carbon bikes. I want another steel steed.

I have been checking all the websites that I can think of spec'ing out bikes, drooling, etc.

Question is this, apart from Lemond ( read Trek) who else is building bikes out of 853? I like reynolds, would probably like Columbus or Deda just fine but would like to try all three. Don't really know anything about LeMond bikes and as I say they are the only ones I can find using 853.

Any comments on LeMond would be appreciated as would direction to other 853 builders.

Thanx,
Independent Fabs - nmmass_biker
Jan 13, 2003 8:56 AM
Fuji. Lemonds are great! Landshark (not 853). Ciocc. nmSpunout
Jan 13, 2003 9:03 AM
BEST DEAL IN THE WORLDishmael
Jan 13, 2003 10:14 AM
I posted about Deesidecycles.com before and people said that other similar deals are out there. I've never seen'em and no one has brought them to my attention. Fully custom for a fraction of the US price. Shipping is expensive but it's still a great deal. Landshark come in 853 also. I owned one. Fillet brazed bikes like the Landshark are really nice but expensive and with the steel tubes these days you can directly join the tubes so it's really just a cosmetic issue if you go anything other than tig welded. Infact 853 is stronger at the joint after tigwelding, so they say.
Deesidecycles.com (?)jtolleson
Jan 13, 2003 10:45 AM
If I didn't recognize your screen name, I'd swear you were spamming. Seriously. You posted a thread claiming that prices through deeside were "1/4 retail" and they weren't even close to that.

Let's see. Other prices that compare with Deeside's no name house frames will include Scattante for starters, and the prices on the italian bikes are certainly no better than Maestro.

It is always nice to learn a new e-vendor, but I'm still not sure that the pricing is that extraordinary. Am I missing something?
why can't anyone see itishmael
Jan 13, 2003 2:58 PM
you can get a custom built 853 bike with chorus for 1500. In this country you could almost spend that on the custom frame alone. I'm getting a custom 853 singlespeed built with Miche,cxp33s, with cinelli alter stem and bars for 850 and you don't have to pay tax. I couldn't get near what I'm getting at that price even if it were off the rack. The shipping is a fortune but if youre in the neighborhood you can pick it up(thats what I'm going to do). Last month they had some Look framesets and already built 853 frames at even much lower prices. some of the prices literally are a fourth of what can be found in this country. I'm getting Look carbon shoes for 80 also. The other-brand framesets are, as you say, not as good a deal. but where can you find those prices for custom 853? Scattantes aren't custom.
why can't anyone see it.......because....davet
Jan 13, 2003 10:18 PM
853 steel is merely a type of steel. It alone doesn't make for a good bike, the builder does. If something is really cheap, there usually is a good reason.

Ishmael worked for one whole day in a bike shop, therefore he must be the resident RBR expert on bike purchasing. Like another poster said, to paraphrase, "he's a putz".
why can't anyone see it.......because....ishmael
Jan 14, 2003 5:57 AM
So, going along with your understanding of bikeframe prices, expensive frames are expensive because of some "good reason". Maybe you could elaborate. Maybe instead of saying I dont know anything you could prove you know something other than a "good reason". Maybe youre an expert and you could clue me in.
re: Steel Road Bikes - 853??lonebikeroftheapocalypse
Jan 13, 2003 9:06 AM
Waterford 853, lugs, choice of colors. Gunnar if you're on a budget.
2nd the waterford (nm)yeah right
Jan 13, 2003 11:02 AM
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Try www. crollcycles.net (nm)PEDDLEFOOT
Jan 13, 2003 9:07 AM
LeMondAlpedhuez55
Jan 13, 2003 9:09 AM
I like my Lemopnd Zurich. It has great ride qualities and is stiff in the bottom bracket. I think it is a bargain for a handmade in US steel frame. For me it fits perfectly. I have a long torso & arms and shorter legs. The longer top tube made the fit great.

For me, a custom would have ended up with more or less the same dimensions. THe cost was half of what a custom 853 frame would have been from many builders. It will not work as well for some though. I think KHS, Iron Horse & possibly Jamis are all using 853 in frames as well.

I would try the LeMond out. You should not have trouble finding a dealer. It works well for century riders but not the best bike if you are a racer.

Mike Y.
Most custom builders can/do use 853Tig
Jan 13, 2003 10:15 AM
Many builders use a blend of different tubing to tune the ride to your needs. A front triangle built with 853 with different seat and chain stay tubing can produce the ride you want.
Here's a listing of custom builders:
http://dmoz.org/Business/Consumer_Goods_and_Services/Sporting_Goods/Cycling/Custom_Frames/

I'd check out Anvil, Independent Fabrication, Land Shark, Richard Moon, Richard Sachs, Rivendell, Spectrum, Steelman, Strong, and Waterford for a fine steel frame.
I'm happy w/ my 2002 IronHorse Victory...joekm
Jan 13, 2003 10:22 AM
Full Ultegra set up and, if there are any left around, probably available for a good price since they have decided to go with a scandium/carbon, semi-compact frankenbike for 2003.

Probably not in the same league as Steelman, IF, etc. but, if your on a budget, I've found it to be a pretty decent bike.
Hampsten Bikes [nm]Leroy
Jan 13, 2003 10:27 AM
re: Steel Road Bikes - 531??cyclopathic
Jan 13, 2003 12:15 PM
as a registered dino you ought to look into Reynolds 525, 520 and esp 531 bikes as well
re: Steel Road Bikes - 531??toomanybikes
Jan 13, 2003 6:16 PM
My credentials are safe - I not only have a 753 road bike but also a 531 upright I snaffled from a bemused older uncle - Sturmey Archer 3 sp hub!
Also Vanilla Bicycles, in Portland Oregon.davet
Jan 13, 2003 12:30 PM
He's small but builds some exquisite stuff. I'm having one built by him.

http://www.vanillabicycles.com
Check out Strong Frames at www.strongframes.com...miposy
Jan 13, 2003 1:37 PM
Carl builds very nice 853 bikes (like my MTB), and will also be happy to discuss other steel choices as well. My roadbike is Columbus Foco, and it is as nice a steel bike as my Reynolds MTB.
re: Steel Road Bikes - 853??bugleboy
Jan 13, 2003 2:01 PM
You may laugh, but Specialized is doing a steal bike this year. It looks interesting. Compact Geometry made of Columbus Foco tubing. They say that Foco tubing is the some of the lightest steal on the market. Check it out.
re: Steel Road Bikes - 853??Barton
Jan 13, 2003 2:05 PM
Jamis Eclipse - great value - comes loaded.
re: Steel Road Bikes - 853??geeker
Jan 13, 2003 9:16 PM
Unfortunately, Jamis has jumped on the carbon rear triangle bandwagon for 2003. I don't think the Eclipse would be to the OP's "dinosaur" taste.
re: Steel Road Bikes - 853??Barton
Jan 14, 2003 1:52 PM
I think that is for their new model the Xenith(sp?)
not 853 but TTmoschika
Jan 13, 2003 5:17 PM
Curtlo, www.curtlo.com , makes a great mtb using true temper OX platinum tubing, so i'm assuming his road bikes are good too. if/when i get a new road bike it'll be from him. i have his mtb and think it's the best riding thing i have (not that i have much). they are also custom built and a good deal for a complete bike. definitely worth looking into.