|does anyone else drink beer here?||Rubiks_Manuever|
Jan 12, 2003 8:49 PM
|I need to know if I am the only beer drinking vegetarian road cyclist here? I take four tablespoons of barleygreen each day, eat lotsa pasta and fake soy meat stuff, and supplement my iron, but I also drink about a twelve pack of lite beer every night, yet I ride fifty miles a day on the weekdays and get in a century every weekend. Is this just bizarre, or at least how come it seems to work for me? My max heart rate seems to be slowly climbing, and I am increasing my sprint (8 mile) speeds and slooowly increasing my same-route century speeds. Max heart rate is around 190 now, up from 185 a coupla months ago. On the road I take Accelerade and Power Bars and Endurox afterwards. I've been riding for almost a year now on a CAAD3 with nice components. Any advice or feedback? I am 34 and aroundabout 200lbs. 6 feet tall. Appreciate comments!|
Jan 12, 2003 9:01 PM
|I was with you there for a while. vegetarian, lots (lots) of pasta, and i sure do like beer. a half rack a night sounds like death to me though. even light stuff.
I guess i dont drink much for a 20 year old college guy, but being sub 150lbs keeps me confined to the amateur drinking competitions. i tend to prefer less, higher quality brews to drinking myself under the table.
good thing you keep that riding up. i cant imagine it takes long for 12 beers a nite to catch up to you.
|A 12-pack a night?||mickey-mac|
Jan 12, 2003 9:09 PM
|Yeah, I drink beer and also homebrew. In fact, I'm drinking a Samuel Smith Nut Brown Ale as I type this. I probably go through close to 12 beers a week, but a 12-pack a night just seems insane. I don't know if your post is serious, but I can't imagine that knocking out 12 beers a day is in any way improving your fitness or your cycling ability. On the contrary, it has to be taking a toll on you physically. You state that you've been riding for a year. I assume you've been drinking beer at your current rate longer than that. My guess is that if you quit drinking or cut down substantially, your performance will improve even more and your weight will drop substantially. I don't know what your build is, but 6' 200 lbs. isn't exactly slvelte for a guy who rides hundreds of miles per week. In addition to everything else drinking a 12 pack a day would appear to be a sure sign of a subtantial drinking problem, IMHO.|
Jan 12, 2003 9:23 PM
|I also do a little brewing. I have made mead (honey wine) and enjoy a beer now and then.
Re: twelve pack beer/ day that is a load of drinking. I prefer small amounts of the good stuff, and can't imagine forcing down that much 'swill'. I would rather not have the beer if it weren't the 'real deal'.
Your health would be sure to improve by cutting back about 75%.
Jan 12, 2003 9:37 PM
|As someone said: "Life is too short, and the liver too frail, to drink bad beer." I've got a case of homebrewed English Brown Ale sitting at home. I just can't imagine drinking it over the next two nights. I'm certain I wouldn't get in quality rides the following mornings if I did manage to knock out a case in two nights.
BTW, how'd the mead turn out? I've been thinking about brewing a batch for my wife, who has a barley and wheat intolerance. Are you making traditional mead or "mead ale" with hops? I've been making gluten-free beer using grains like sorghum, buckwheat, and corn in place of barley.
Jan 13, 2003 7:46 AM
|The mead turns out very well. I like to make it to a starting gravity of about 1.125. This is about 3.5 lbs honey/gallon. Aftre ferment I will usually find another flavor to add, like smoked chili pepper, or key lime/red pepper, or a touch of Scottish heather honey. Make a good base mead first.
I got lucky a few years ago and won the top prize in the American Homebrewers competition. Walked away with 'Meadmaker of the Year' honors. Then did it again the next year. Byron Burch and I are the only ones to win it more than once. If you need more info on Mead I'd be glad to help.
The gluten free beer is an interesting idea. How the taste?
Jan 14, 2003 6:08 AM
|How long does your mead typically ferment? I've heard wildly varying suggestions on fermentation times: everything from a week or so to over a year. If such a thing exists, what is your "typical" time from boiling to opening a bottle?
The GF beer has turned out well. Most beer novices wouldn't be able to distinguish it from "real" beer. My initial problem was excessive hopping, which I did in the hope the bitterness would mask the flavors of the unusual grains. Most of the batches have been patterned after American Pale Ale, with an attempt at Hefeweizen and English Special Bitter thrown in. I might get back to you on the mead one day.
|Yeah...if all you want to do is get drunk||ColnagoFE|
Jan 13, 2003 7:30 AM
|Just down a load of cheap vodka. It'll get you there quicker and be cheaper to boot.|
|re: does anyone else drink beer here?||LinuxDude|
Jan 12, 2003 9:54 PM
|What's the point of being vegetarian if you go and drink that insanely! |
What is beer good for? Loosing brain cells and gaining gut cells :-D
|last time i checked||collinsc|
Jan 12, 2003 10:12 PM
|being a vegetarian had more to do with meat than beer.
and beer is good for drinking.
|PETA and beer||mickey-mac|
Jan 12, 2003 10:29 PM
|PETA has been making a big push on college campuses to convince people to give up milk in favor of beer. According to PETA, beer is healthier than milk, from a human perspective as well as the cow's perpspective. I'm not a PETA fan, but any organization that condones beer drinking over milk drinking can't be all bad. :-)|
|thanks for input...||Rubiks_Manuever|
Jan 12, 2003 10:40 PM
|Thanks all for input--i suppose a twelver a night is pretty excessive but I've just become tolerant to it I guess...the post was serious btw-I bet if I cut beer out I would lose 15 lbs and do way better on the climbs here in Western North Carolina, but I really like drinkin beer and workin on my bikes! I spend more money on nashbar and performance and jenson mail orders than on my swill beer, so maybe that's not so bad?...somehow the ride always destroys the muddle-headedness of the previous night's drinking. Arg. I never want a beer in the middle of a century! Thanks again.
Will Try To Cut Back,
|thanks for input...||mickey-mac|
Jan 12, 2003 11:02 PM
|Best of luck. I hope you can enjoy beer responsibly and still work yourself into prime cycling shape. If you're interested in moving beyond quality into quanity, check out these web site: http://www.beeradvocate.com and http://www.ratebeer.com. You may be able to find some local breweries and brewpubs that will bring you into the light.|
|yeah, but what about the cheeseburger?(nm)||rufus|
Jan 13, 2003 1:30 PM
|"Hi! I'm Pseuzq, and I'm a ....cyclist."||PseuZQ|
Jan 12, 2003 10:34 PM
|I used to drink all kinds of fun stuff, from high-end vodka to skank-ass cheap malt liquor. Lots. And still ride about 100 miles a week with the occasional century thrown in. I'll say it -- just so there's no ambiguity here -- I had serious drinking problem. (note -- I'm talking ONLY about MYSELF here, please in no way infer that I'm passing judgment or making assumptions.) Drinking without question interfered with my riding. My riding improved dramatically when I quit. First thing I noticed was a lower heart rate. (Well, that's not exactly true -- the first thing I noticed was that I was no longer de-toxing and starting to go into withdrawal halfway through a ride. Which usually happened at the top of a climb. Ever descend something technical with the shakes? yiiiikes....)
About the strongest I do now is de-caf iced green tea.(mmmm..antioxidants.) Given a standard lite beer at 12 oz, 144 is a ton of liquid of *any* variety.
There's a book I like called "Under the Influence" that talks about what alcohol and its byproducts do to mitochondria. Short version: It screws them up big time, and if you're a cyclist, I can't imagine that's a Good Thing.
Sorry to go into all that personal detail, but thought it might be of interest to some. So to answer your question, no, I don't drink beer. (But I do eat red meat.)
|thanks suzy-Q I'll check the book out. (nm)||Rubiks_Manuever|
Jan 12, 2003 10:43 PM
Jan 12, 2003 10:51 PM
|While the book is clearly geared toward describing the effects of alcohol on the problem drinker, it's pretty specific in limiting itself to the physical discussion. It's pretty fascinating, for a lay person.
I don't miss drinking. I *do* miss riding when I can't do it. And the only hangover I get from riding is killer legs and a nice *ss.
Jan 13, 2003 5:04 AM
Jan 13, 2003 6:06 AM
|Hey, you're right. Nobody who drank that much would admit it, especially a vegitarian. I almost went into my AA story! Troll, it is!|
Jan 13, 2003 6:09 AM
|I usually down a gallon or so of vodka right before i ride, saving the beer for my camelback.....|
|12 pack is a bit much.||ColnagoFE|
Jan 13, 2003 7:28 AM
|I'm no tee totaler and drink most nights--usually beer, wine or a mixed drink or two but 12 beers every day seems a bit much--even if it is that lite beer watered down stuff. your max hr really doesnt get higher--you just are getting in good enough shape to get to your max hr. as you age it will get lower but not as fast if you keep in shape.|
|thanks colnago--hr stuff makes sense. (nm)||Rubiks_Manuever|
Jan 13, 2003 9:53 PM
|You're a drinker with a cycling problem...||asphalt assault|
Jan 13, 2003 7:49 AM
|...You can never expect to effectivly destroy your life if you keep riding. I urge you to quit riding cold turkey and ship your bikes to me.
That vegetrian diet isn't helping either. If you must only eat plant matter I think battering them and deep frying is the best way to go.
If drinking a 12 pack a day hasn't done you in then you may need a more effective catalyst. Smoking crack several times a day should do the trick and your heart rate will sky-rocket!
If all else fails you can always play chicken at railroad crossings.
|Even if a troll he still brings up a good topic.||Turtleherder|
Jan 13, 2003 12:27 PM
|Excess consumption of alcohol is just plain bad for your cycling performance. I think this is how it works but correct me if I get it wrong. Glucose is the primary form of fuel for you muscles. Glucose in the form of glycogen is mostly stored in the liver. When you drink your liver has to process the alcohol and in doing so stops it's production and storage of glycogen. After a hard night of drinking do you ever have sore legs? This is due in part to dehydration but also in part to not enough glycogen production because of the alcohol. I am not a non drinker and have been heard on numerous occasions on Sunday morning rides to proclaim that "Guiness stole my legs" but excess consumption really hurts your performance.|
|Even if a troll he still brings up a good topic.||PseuZQ|
Jan 13, 2003 2:50 PM
|I think that's sort of how it works, except the body adapts to using alcohol as a fast and efficient fuel source. The book I referenced above goes into a lot more detail about how the liver metabolizes alcohol and what that does to the rest of one's body when done in long-term excess.
The dehydration is a serious issue. The worst bonk I ever had occurred climbing a very long hill (4200 ft gain) on a very hot day with an *extreme* hangover. It was an awfully stupid thing to do.