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Antoher Heart Attack...(14 posts)

Antoher Heart Attack...QUiTSPiNiNArOuND
Jan 10, 2003 4:00 PM
What's up with that,Denis Zanette of Fassa Bortolo dies of a hard attack(www.cyclingnews.com). He's only 32 years old, and an athlete...what gives? Should I be concerned about myself? Is there a correlation with riding and heart problems? Also, my deepest sympathy to Denis and his family.
The big kahuna is heredity.cory
Jan 10, 2003 4:54 PM
No matter what you do--diet, exercise, whatever--you can't escape what your parents gave you. I had two friends, both dedicated lifelong athletes, who died at 43 and 50. Everybody was shocked, but it turned out they'd both outlived their fathers by several years. Jim Fixx, a well-known runner and author, was in his early 40s when he died several years ago, too.
It's always a good idea to have regular physicals and follow your doctor's advice. I've done that, because both my parents had heart conditions. Every physician I've ever talked with, though, encourages as much exercise as you can do in whatever condition you're in.
re: Antoher Heart Attack...Akirasho
Jan 10, 2003 4:57 PM
... in light of how modern medicine is presented and accepted by many of us, we view said as an exact science instead of science, art and variables beyond our control.

Heart attack is a somewhat generic term, and without knowing a bit more about his condition (before and up to) there's no real answer save, some of us are predisposed to conditions that heretofore, the state of the art cannot detect, are misdiagnosed or simply ignored by the individual.

To live is to risk.

Sympathies to friends and families alike.

Be the bike.
PossibilitiesKerry
Jan 10, 2003 4:57 PM
Congenital heart defect, bad genes leading to rapid plaque buildup, EPO overdose, just plain bad luck, etc. Riding the bike is good for your heart. There is a correlation with heart problems - riding reduces heart problems.
It's worth the risk...Souxsie
Jan 10, 2003 6:46 PM
At 35 I have fears of this too. But I think that very fear is common with thirtysomethings who are just coming out of their carefree twenties.

Unless you have hereditary issues I believe it's worth the risk. I mean, what are the options? Boring walks around a pond at 5mph or couch potato-ville?

Bleh. When I go, I'd rather it be upon my bike or in the bed the evening after.
Read the "Matters of the Heart" article in the Dec. '02 issue of Cycle SportTig
Jan 10, 2003 7:08 PM
This article on exercise-induced sudden cardiac death by Fred St. Goar, M.D. covers the issue quite well and is recommended reading for all concerned. The annual rate for high school and college students is 1 per 133,000 men, and 1 per 769,000 women. The annual rate for casual athletes over 35 is is 1 per 15,000, and for highly trained competitive athletes over 35 the rate is 1 per 50,000.

It is too early to know if Zanette was using EPO, had a congenital cardio defect, or suffered from something else.
That's Still Pretty Good Odds....Gregory Taylor
Jan 10, 2003 7:44 PM
As an over-40 casual athlete, I probably couldn't get better odds surviving the Washington Beltway at rush hour. I'll take the risk.

I read an interesting article a while back suggesting that when a parent dies the surviving children should consider requesting that a full autopsy be performed, rather than just a medical determination of the cause of death. The author posited that the benefit to the kids would be that the parent's condition is fairly predictive of the child's future health, and that the children would find out about any latent maladies that could manifest themselves later in life. Ghoulish, but logical.
On EPO, death during sleep and going to the dentist...tempeteOntheRoad
Jan 11, 2003 5:23 AM
Sorry Zanette died. First things first.

I just cannot help to think of how strange it is he died getting up, walking away to the counter to pay his fee after having his teeth cleaned... And that, right during the big time training season... Just when I would be taking safely all the products I could take the chance on taking...

I mean, he did not die doing intervales on the Poggio or on his home trainer. It's pretty close to dying in your sleep from a thick-blood condition that causes a heart stress...

As much as I hate going to the dentist, he (and the nice assistant lady hygienist) do their best to relax me, they've even set up a tv on the ceiling and show me how to operate the remote before each clean up! Then, once it is done, I have to get up and walk away...

I wonder if those numbers reported to us by TIG from mister St.Goar cover heart attacks suffered during exercise (death by jogging!) or someone dying from a heart attack after a massage...
Additional reading material...wasabekid
Jan 11, 2003 12:39 AM
regarding this subject:

http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=rundie18&date=20021218&query=Gallagher

Although you can't change the hand you're dealt (genetically predisposed), with modern technology you can, at the very least, attempt to control the disease, IF... properly diagnosed and at an early stage.

Work with your (good) doctor.

W.
Additional reading material...CFBlue
Jan 11, 2003 6:38 AM
Top three causes of death in the USA, according to the JAMA (or another american medical journal, don't remember right now) #3 The doctor, #1&2 heart attack & stroke. I certainy put a lot of faith in doctors... at least until I read this.
re: Antoher Heart Attack...RACER-ROSS
Jan 11, 2003 12:35 PM
Dozens of elite cyclists have died of heart attacks over the years. In fact, a good friend of mine who was in his early 20's died right after a race. It is almost always the result of past or current drug use. EPO killed several cyclists when it first came out. Seems the heart has a tough time pumping blood thicker than cold lard. Of course I doubt Denis Zanette ever dabbled in performance enhancers, his palmares don't support it.
re: Like a F-ing Heart Attack...jrm
Jan 11, 2003 3:54 PM
Artifically increased heartrate over a long period of time?.....
I almost had a heart attack when I got my dentist bill too! (nm)LC
Jan 11, 2003 4:38 PM
Drugs could definetely do it..LinuxDude
Jan 11, 2003 8:44 PM
Many pro bodybuilders die young from heart failure as well. A good example of that being Mike Mentzer who died at the age of 49. I mention this because it is well know that just about every successful bodybuilders takes steroids or other drugs. It could also very well be the case with Zanette.