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Ok, so I need a little more help(28 posts)

Ok, so I need a little more helppeterjh9
Jan 7, 2003 9:53 AM
In my pursuit of a road bike. I have pretty much decided (known all along) that I would like a Trek.

I can really only afford to spend on the equivilant of a 1000 or 1200. In researching, the 1200 looks to have a better fork, and better components.

I like the idea of a carbon fork over alloy, and I really like the idea of being able to shift from the drops (can do on Tiagra, but not Sola apparently).

My only point of internal debate, is if those two options are worth the $250 difference. The 1000 is $699, the 1200 is $949. Taken in context, a $250 difference in price is quite substancial.

Knowing me, its probably best to spend now and save later (when I would innevitably want to upgrade).

I think I have pretty much made up my mind to get the 1200, but I wanted to open it up for someone to present a valid argument to get the 1000 and save some money (now).

Any takers???

Also, I have been looking at some of the cheaper bike models available from bikewholesaler.com. The Tomasso line has some reasonable prices, and even better now that they are on sale. Has anyone ever ordered from this online retailer before??? If so, impressions?

Thank-you much
This one is easy!bsdc
Jan 7, 2003 10:11 AM
At your price level, $250 will buy you a substantial upgrade. My advice is to buy all the bike you can. I'd even consider a lightly used bike. Good luck!
Agree with bsdcKeeponTrekkin
Jan 7, 2003 10:19 AM
Especially for "lightly used". Save money or get more bike, your choice. (Don't know the Tomasso line or that vendor.)

KoT
then again,JS Haiku Shop
Jan 7, 2003 11:05 AM
$250 will also get all your accessories. i'm not sure from your message if you already have them, so here's the basics:

* floor pump
* frame pump or co2 inflator
* co2 cartridges if co2 inflator
* patch kit(s)
* spare tubes
* helmet
* glasses: clear, and shaded
* gloves: half, and full-finger
* shoes
* pedals if not included with bike
* bottle cages
* water bottles
* bike computer, if desired
* riding snacks/energy food/gels (power gels/clif bars)
* liquid fuel/powder (cytomax/gatorade)
* lube and grease
* degreaser
* multitool
* clothing? jersey and shorts desired?
* a saddle that fits your anatomy

and also, if you're buying used, even if "lightly used", expect to replace cables, housing, tires, tubes, rim strips, brake pads, chain, and bartape, maybe even cassette.

...or save a little more and get the bike you want, without question, with some extra cash to get the accessories.

good luck.

-J
Excellent advice!CHRoadie
Jan 7, 2003 12:34 PM
I purchased everything on the list after my first ride, which was also my first flat. As a brand-spankin-newbie, I simply wasn't aware of what I should take with me. I learned quickly.
Excellent advice!S-U-B
Jan 7, 2003 12:57 PM
go used, you will end up with a much better bike for the same or less. Check the classifieds here and on ebay.
I bought entry level and now want betterContinental
Jan 7, 2003 12:52 PM
If you buy the 1000 you will probably wish you bought the 1200. I bought an entry level road bike with Sora (Fuji Finest) last summer. It's a nice bike, better than anything that existed when I started road biking in 1974, but I wish I would have stretched the budget and bought something nicer. I'll probably end up buying a new bike in a couple of years.
All great ideas...peterjh9
Jan 7, 2003 1:03 PM
I did look into some lightly used bikes, but from what I found, they were mostly high end bikes that even lightly used, kept em high priced. I know Ebay is fine and all, but without touching the bike in person, I would not buy. Its just something I have against buying "sight unseen".
Plus, even though it might not be flashy, a brand new bike is something thats all mine. Nothing like a brand new anything to call your own. Same principle that will ever keep me from buying a used car.

JS Haiku, solid advice. I actually have most everything I need, as I am a pretty die-hard mountain biker. Yeah, my Time ATACs are not ideal road pedals, but for now, will be just fine. The only thing I lack, is the bike, and road tubes.

Continental, your right. If I did not buy what I actually want, I would spend more int he end trying to make it so. I think I will go for the 1200. Hell, its even blue....my color of choice.

Thanks all
Don't settle for a Trek1200Uncle Tim
Jan 7, 2003 1:11 PM
If you have to buy a new road bike and you are determined to pick up a Trek, look at the 2000 model. Why? Because it is a much better frame. In time, you will replace components and you will end up with a very nice bike.

The Time ATAC pedals are great for the urban areas and they do just fine for long road rides, too.

This is a great time to buy a bike. Weather is bad, and the new models are rolling into the shops. See if you can find one from the previous year that's been sitting around.

If you buy a Trek 1200, you've locked yourself in. No matter what you do, you will have a second or third rate frame. If you really get to putting in some serious miles, you'll be disappointed and looking for a new one. The Trek 2000 and the Trek 2200 frames are very good aluminum frames.
Indeed they are...peterjh9
Jan 7, 2003 1:31 PM
The 2000 and 2200...aren't those Womans specific models?

Also, bikes higher than the 1200, are WAY out of my price range. I have to save for a new place of residence, an engagement ring, a wedding, and a honeymoon. Its either buy a servicable road bike now and ride immediatly, or save for a higher level bike and ride in 2 years. I think i prefer the former. Sometimes, you simply cannot buy "the best".
Wait, my badpeterjh9
Jan 7, 2003 1:46 PM
I accidently clicked on the International link this time. I see the bikes your referring too.

They are both very nice, but both more than I have to sepnd on a bike. Gotta stick to my self imposed limit and resist going over.
AHA! more unsolicited adviceJS Haiku Shop
Jan 7, 2003 1:49 PM
skip the wedding and reception, go straight for a drive-up chapel in vegas, get married by elvis and marilyn monroe at the drive-through window, and spend your honeymoon in sin city. they used to have a "star trek hilton" there. wonder if they still do?

:) :) :)

j/k

-J
Don't settle for a Trek1200geeker
Jan 7, 2003 1:38 PM
"If you buy a Trek 1200, you've locked yourself in... The Trek 2000 and the Trek 2200 frames are very good aluminum frames."

Are you sure about this? I get the impression, both from Trek's website and from their hard-copy catalog, that the 1200 thru 2200 models all have the same frame. The 1000 has a cheapo frame, and the 2300 frame is slightly lighter. Frame-wise, 1200 seems to be the value point; 2000 and 2200 differ only in wheels and gruppo.
They are all different.Uncle Tim
Jan 7, 2003 7:25 PM
The Trek 2000 and the Trek 2200 are very similar, both are under 3 lbs, with the 2200 being just a tad lighter and having better components (105). The Trek 2300 is lighter still and better equipped (Ultegra).

There is a big skip from the Trek 1000/1200 (very similar if not the same) to the 2000 series. And I am talking about frame. The 1200 is an entry-level bike, and not really owrth upgrading. Again, the Trek 2000 is a good aluminum frame (sub 3 lbs) . Yeah, Trek is skimping on the wheels and components, but you can fix that over time.

Perhaps I should say that I am not exactly sure about the new models. The 2000 and 2001 model years (with the wishbone stay in the back) were the best for the Trek 2000. I think that in 2002, they changed the rear triangle, went to an aluminum fork (probably what the 1200 has - you can change that, too), and downgraded the wheelset.

Still, that frame is a good one that is ready for everything from long slow centuries to racing.
FYI..peterjh9
Jan 7, 2003 7:40 PM
The 1200 has a Bonty OCLV carbon design fork.
FYI..geeker
Jan 7, 2003 8:02 PM
Check Trek's website (trekbikes.com). The 1200, 2000 and 2200 frames are all "SLR Alpha Aluminum" or some such, with carbon fork. Each bike model page has an "upgrade" button which shows how it differs from the next lower-priced model. Frame-wise, 1200 is an upgrade over 1000, but the next frame upgrade shown is the 2300 ("ZR9000 alloy") over the 2200. [I also recall looking at a hard-copy 2002 model year catalog that implied the 1200, 2000 and 2200 frames were identical, with same quoted weights. No longer have the catalog, so can't double-check.]

I recommend checking with a Trek dealer, because I'm pretty sure that the 2003 model year frames (even frame/fork from what I can tell) are the same for the 1200 thru 2200. This would make the 1200 a good value.
Don't automatically trust the website...Uncle Tim
Jan 7, 2003 8:13 PM
Seems to me that I recall when Trek used to show detailed specs on their website for all models, including frame weights and details.

I just looked at the sight, and here's the biased opinion of a man who has 4 Treks in the basement (5200, 2200, 2000, and a urban assault vehicle:

Good news: Trek added a carbon front fork to both the 2000 and even the 1200. Yea!

More good news: it appears that Trek has made a greater distinction between the Trek 1200 and the 1000. The key part of the distinction is that the frames, with the 1200 being made of SL aluminum.

More good news: the Trek 2000 components are now a Tiagra/ 105 mix. Looks like they've made amends for the downgrading of the 2001 model Trek 2000. You used to have to go to the Trek 2200 to get a Shimano 105 group.

The problem that I have here is that I can't tell from the website how these three frames (1200, 2000, 2200) differ.The website makes it appear that they are all the same. It could be that way, but I am skeptical.

What I would want to know before buying is exactly what kind of frame the Trek 1200 has now. If they've improved the model to where this is the equivalent of what the Trek 2000 frames were a couple of years ago, then I would say you'll be buying a good frame with excellent prospects for upgrading.

Send Trek and email or call them.
Uncle Tim and Geekerpeterjh9
Jan 8, 2003 7:04 AM
I ordered the Trek 2003 catalogue and received it a few days ago. According to even the hard copy, the 1200 and 2000 have EXACTLY the same frame and fork. The difference lies in component levels. Tiagra to 105 in some places etc. They say the wheelset is better on the 2000, but the spec list shows the same exact Matrix wheelset, so that could be a typo.

From all I have read, an SL aluminum frame with Bonty carbon fork and Tiagra all around is a nice package for $950.
Uncle Tim and Geekergeeker
Jan 8, 2003 7:17 AM
I'm inclined to agree. A poster on the rec.bicycles.* newsgroups is a big Trek dealer (seems like a trustworthy guy imo), and he's mentioned the 2003 models 1200 (and 2000 for more $) as good values.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?L12311203
Uncle Tim and GeekerUncle Tim
Jan 8, 2003 12:06 PM
Well, it could be that Trek has changed things with their aluminum bikes, maning that they offer three road bike frames with different component packages (1000, 1200-2000-2200, 2300). I can understand how this is adequate, from a marketing point of view (reminds me of cannondale), but it is a different approach.

Again, my concern is that you get a good frame and work up. I do not agree with the approach that you start with the best components you can get and put them on a second or third rate frame. If you ride the bike, upgrading will almost be forced upon you. The bike will only get better as you make changes.

I'd put it to you simply: if the Trek 1200 is a Made in the USA aluminum frame that comes in under 3 lbs, then you will be doing fine. Just take your time and check.

When I bought my Trek 2000 a few years ago, it came with a Tiagra package. Those components are heavy, but very durable, and I've upgraded everything but the shifters which still work fine after about 9,300 miles.

With an Ultegra/ DA component mix, it is a very good bike. It's light (18.5 lbs), very stiff, good climbing and sprinting, and even comfortable on long rides. I love that bike.
I shall checkpeterjh9
Jan 8, 2003 12:23 PM
Into where the frame is produced.

Giant also does this lumping catagory, of the same frame with different component specs, for its mountain bike line. IE...NRS line.

I think its a good idea.

Thanks for all the help!
Straight from Trek themsevles...peterjh9
Jan 8, 2003 3:09 PM
All Alpha SL aluminum frames and better are made in the USA. The 1200 is made of Alpha SL and is made in the USA.
This is making my decision even easier
Couple of things.maximum15
Jan 8, 2003 9:48 AM
I remember reading a few years ago that 1200 and below were made in Taiwan, that 2000 and above were made in the US by Trek. Don't know if that is still true today.

I personally would advise you to locate a bike equipped with full 105 or campy equivalent. If this means used, then let it be used. Alternatively, buy yourself a 105 build package and a frame that you don't mind replacing later. You will have a bike that will shift and brake well and will need little maintenance. Unless you live in a very hilly area and have very low body fat, the frame weight isn't too important (except for vanity sake). I recall seeing frames on ebay for about 150 recently that looked suspiciously like trek frames, even the measurement matched. Also, Chucks Bikes (www.chucksbikes.com) had some good frame prices. In fact, I think Chuck will sell you a frame with a 105 build kit.
All great ideas...JS Haiku Shop
Jan 7, 2003 1:46 PM
there's nothing wrong with "non-road" pedals on a road bike. in fact, if you can walk in the those shoes, you're already one up on my dedicated road pedals. granted, i switch between road and mtb shoes and pedals for different rides and reasons, i did put in many miles and numerous road centuries this year on the mtb road/pedal platform.

do what works for you!

btw, many mtb-targeted frame or mini pumps will not inflate a road tire to high pressures...something to think about.
Will have to check...peterjh9
Jan 7, 2003 1:51 PM
I have a Nashbar 'blue' floor pump, in addition to a mini-pump for the trail. The mini pump I doubt would work, but I think the floor pump would.
Will have to check...JS Haiku Shop
Jan 7, 2003 1:58 PM
I also have the blue floor pump from nashbar (2+ yrs old now!), works fine on both.
GVHlampshade
Jan 8, 2003 10:42 AM
As if Gary does not get enough free advertising on this site, check out gvhbikes.com. If you can find your size, they can have amazing deals on complete bikes. Ex: Right now, 58cm KHS 800 for $950. It has 853 steel frame, carbon fork, full ultegra, and velocity wheels.
actually, that one's used...JS Haiku Shop
Jan 8, 2003 11:22 AM
and a fair deal, as some of the parts are new, some used, all probably in top condition. but, i do whole-heartedly suggest frequenting his site and buying from gary. i'm on my 3rd gvh purchase.