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Greg LeMond's book - wrong heartrate range?(7 posts)

Greg LeMond's book - wrong heartrate range?gnailuh
Jan 6, 2003 9:26 PM
I follow heartrate training for my triathlon and biking rides. Just borrowed the Greg LeMond book from the library and read about the training section... here's his intensity levels:

- max - 100% max heartrate - sprint
- submax - 25-2 min at nearly 100% - pure anaerobic interval
- high - 2-4 min almost 100% - long interval
- average - 4-30 min at 90-100% - anaerobic threshhold
- light intensity - >30 min - 80-90% - intense aerobic
- low - indefinitely long, 65-87% - endurance

Now, everything he says from light intensity and above seems to be way too high for today's efforts... Is this the case because the research back then supported this high heartrate and today it's found to be otherwise... or are we just slacking off today?
I'd like to know the answer to that myself...joekm
Jan 7, 2003 6:32 AM
Seems that if I do roller time trying to stay in aerobic range it's just boring and slow. Yet, when I'm a little above that, I really don't feel like I'm working that hard. I don't even wear the HRM when I go out on group rides because I just don't want to be bothered by it.

Either my perceived effort is way off the mark or I've been mis-informed about how hard you can ride. I'd love to be able to use the numbers in LeMond's book.
wrong? not reallycyclopathic
Jan 7, 2003 7:33 AM
I am guessing MAX was calculated as 220-age, and since elite cyclist have very high LTHR ~180, things look pretty much in line with LTHR based programs.
I have a question about heart rate levels someone may help withmaximum15
Jan 7, 2003 9:51 AM
Just got a heart rate monitor and let it calculate my "zone" based on age. Well, either I am killing myself or I need a new target zone. I am consistently above the 85% of max target range it has set. Since I can program target zones into the unit, I need a good way to determine them. Can someone tell me how to calculate target zones (other than the 220 minus age) or point me to a source that I can review for this info?
try Friel's cycling biblecyclopathic
Jan 7, 2003 2:26 PM
or mnt bike bible it has updates. Friel's training program is based on aerobic threshold (AT, LT, LTHR) and is more accurate then hypothetical MAX.

220-age is complete bogus. My LTHR is in 180-185 range, and at age 38 my MAX should be 182. Since I've seen values in 195-200 w/o killing myself I'm guessing my true Max should be in 200-210.

If you really wanna find your true max find an unleashed pitsbull, strap HR monitor, wait for it to come close and then sprint for life. don't forget to warm up or you hurt yourself.
DO NOT GO TO THE DOCTOR!!!!!!tma
Jan 7, 2003 4:02 PM
So, I get a HRM given to me, and like you I am amazed that I red line the thing on every run and ride, no matter how easy it feels. When I see my doc for the 40 year physical and all that, I mention it. He asks if they ever did echo after lymphoma and chemo about twelve years ago. No, I say. Guess what. Mild tricuspid insufficiency. Basically, heart pounds blood to the lungs and backs some up into the ventricle because I got a bent valve.

Twelve years ago I see the doc, and they cut, burn and poison me. I get all better.

I go see the doc again and now I find this out.

DO NOT SEE A DOCTOR!!!! ALL THEY DO IS FIND STUFF WRONG WITH YOU!!!!

Honestly my case is no biggie and I've probably had this for years and years, but if you have any predispositions at all get it checked.
m2¢: Try this calc:coonass
Jan 7, 2003 4:54 PM
for Max HR: http://www.fitmed.com/exercisetips/maximum_heartrate.htm
(if I accepted the "220-age" theory, I'd be history...)