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Toe overlap- How common?(9 posts)

Toe overlap- How common?Roger H
Jan 6, 2003 6:59 AM
I just built up a new frame, a Look 381, and noticed I have about an inch or so of toe overlap. Rubbed my foot a couple of times on a ride yesterday, both times while turning a circle waiting for a light. Never noticed any overlap with my other frame, a DeRosa which was slighty larger.I like the ride of the Look and except for the overlap, it feels like a better "fit". I would like to ask those with experience, will I get used to to overlap? I've only ridden the bike twicw so far. Thanks very much.
Jan 6, 2003 7:25 AM
Toe overlap is no big deal. It might be the biggest non-issue in cycling, since almost everyone has it to some degree.

Unless you turn slow, tight circles a lot, you'll never even notice it and it will never be a problem. Who turns slow, tight circles a lot? No one that I know. Don't worry about it.
I agreeDave Hickey
Jan 6, 2003 7:30 AM
Is fairly common on smaller frames. I have it on one of my bikes and I don't notice it anymore.
you mean there're frames w/o overlap?? 8-Ocyclopathic
Jan 6, 2003 7:57 AM
there aren't that many 52cm and under with 700c wheels
you'll get used to, not big deal
not so awfulDaveG
Jan 6, 2003 9:38 AM
I think it is somewhat common. I had a bike previously that had some serious overlap. After 15K miles I never went down due toe overlap although I would occasionally make contact with my foot. My handling skills are pretty mediocre so I think most folks should have no problem.
re: Toe overlap...Fredrico
Jan 6, 2003 1:03 PM
I have a bike with toe overlap. The front wheel is so far in, I have to scoot back on the saddle going down hills to keep my weight centered between the front and rear wheels. I have another bike, an old DeRosa coincidentally, that has the same wheelbase, but a longer seattube and top tube, shorter chainstays and steeper head angle. It'll do anything I want, without coaxing it by shifting my weight around. It disappears beneath me. It has no toe overlap.

Positioning is everything, of course, and overlap is no problem once you get used to it. But someone please tell me why the front wheel has to be so far back? Putting it out front seems to achieve better weight distribution of rider, fore-aft, and therefore more stable and predictable handling. Bikes with extremely short wheelbases can turn tight circles, but seem to put too much rider weight up front. You really want it over the crank and rear wheel, for traction and stability. So don't abandon that DeRosa. You may very well prefer it after riding the Look for awhile.
Jan 6, 2003 3:33 PM
Having your weight far back over the crank and rear wheel is just as bad as too far forward.
With an unloaded front wheel, what do you think will happen in a fast turn or one that has less traction? Your front wheel will wash out. If anything you want more weight over the front, which is what many companies do--especially in crit-crazy america. It is much easier to control a loose rear wheel whether it hops, skids or slides. If the front does anything other than roll, you are usually eating tar.

Balanced is what you want. Thus the whole point of frame sizing.
Toe overlap happens. It's not a big deal and is very common on frames under 53 cm, I think.
What is toe overlapchazman
Jan 6, 2003 6:51 PM
Help me undestand this discussion and explain what toe overlap is?
What is toe overlapRoger H
Jan 6, 2003 7:26 PM
Basically, it is when you are clipped into your pedals, and with the cranks horizontal, your toe extends forward enough that when you turn the wheel it touches.