|Rollers vs. schwinn spinner||trijunior|
Jan 2, 2003 5:36 PM
|After putting in about 45 hours of base work on a schwinn spinner bike and purchasing a new specialized, i am looking into a set of 3" kreitler rollers. For those of you with experience with these, does this make sense. I would like to work on my form and train in a more suitable position with more realistic geometry. The spinner is quite mundane as well and rollers would pass the time more quickly. Does this make sense? Any contribution would be appreciated.
|Rollers, no contest||Kerry|
Jan 2, 2003 6:04 PM
|You'll gain fitness while improving your form and bike handling. What more could you ask?|
|re: Rollers vs. schwinn spinner||desmo|
Jan 2, 2003 6:17 PM
|I have nothing against rollers but I don't think they're any less boring than a spin bike. I bought one of the Johnny G Schwinn's thinking the wife would use it (yeah right). But I find it a pretty good training tool. The fact that with a little work you can get the set-up pretty close to a road bike and that it's fixed makes it a pretty nice deal for a stationary bike. You can definenatly improve your spin on one by using no resistance and churning up to 150 or so. Of course I'd rather spend three hours in the cold and rain, than one spent indoors on any trainer. And I usually do, but the spin bike is great when you run out of daylight, etc. Anyway, to answer your question to me it makes no sense to buy rollers if you already own the spin bike. If you're really concerned about "form", spend the dough on a cheap fixed gear bike with fenders and ride in the slop. Have fun, spring will be here soon, right?|
|re: Rollers vs. schwinn spinner||bugleboy|
Jan 2, 2003 8:43 PM
|I disagree, Rollers are a much better training tool for proper spin technique. A spinner would a good tool for improving your overall strength. The last time that I got my spin up to 150 on a spinner I was bouncing on the bike a little. You do that on rollers and you will find yourself on the floor.|
|apples and oranges||ColnagoFE|
Jan 3, 2003 6:33 AM
|Sure rollers are better for proper spin technique, but what about overall aerobic conditioning and strength training? I vote Spinner for that. Also why is it better to find yourself on the floor rather than just trying to smooth out your pedal stroke until you aren't bouncing?|
|Because you don't.||djg|
Jan 3, 2003 8:03 AM
|You ask why it is better to find yourself on the floor. The answer is: once you learn how to ride rollers, which does not take all that much time, you do not find yourself on the floor (indeed, even while learning you may never fall). Rollers--by happenstance probably more than design--seem to be a much more subtle and effective biofeedback mechanism than the fall-on-the-floor-don't-do-that-again negative feedback trick. Start to drift and it feels unsettling, start to wobble or bounce and it feels unsettling, etc., etc. Although sometimes you need to remind yourself, consciously, to, e.g., relax your upper body or look ahead, a lot of it just seems sub- or semi-conscious adjustment. You ride 'em, you get smoother. It's not the only way to get smooth, but it's a good way to get better.
If he's looking at the 3" kreitlers (the dyno-lytes or the poly-lytes) he's looking at a device that, IMO, can provide a pretty good workload--put it in a big gear and get the revs up and you will be working.
I'm not saying the spin bike is bad or that it won't do some of what rollers do (and a better ability maybe to simulate a standing climb, etc). But rollers can provide a good work load and a relentless feedback mechanism. And the fit to your bike isn't approximate, it's exact--you just use your bike. And a sweat net.
|re: Rollers vs. schwinn spinner||bikemike|
Jan 3, 2003 4:36 AM
|All forms of indoor training are a little boring, but I tend to lean more towards rollers. Sure you can improve your spin with a spin bike but it doesn't tend to give you as much feedback as rollers do. When you are choppy on rollers, you go all wobbly. With a spin bike on the other hand, you merely look unwieldy and might well not know that you are pedalling squares.
One pro of using rollers is that they are very portable if you buy folding ones - this makes it very useful if you are riding at the track.
On the other hand you can't really get that much resistance out of rollers unless you spend extra on a resistance unit. It depends on what you want to achieve: better style or more power? Either is going to make you faster.
|Love my rollers...||VertAddict|
Jan 2, 2003 8:05 PM
|I am a relative beginner, bought a mag trainer a couple years back for my hybrid, found it really hard to get motivated to ride it over the winter. This year, with a road bike purchase, I couldn't stomach the idea of not riding the new machine all winter (I'm on the prairies in Canada), and I didn't like putting it on the mag trainer, so I bought some cheap rollers about a month ago.
I can't believe how much more enjoyable they are - I pop in a Star Trek DVD and just ride. Yesterday I set a new time PR of 2 hours straight. I like it because it feels so much more like real riding, it's easy to visualize myself out on the roads. Also, it seems easier for me to maintain a steady, high heart rate, due to the necessity of keeping everything spinning. Now motivation is no problem, it's one of those purchases where I say every day, "that was money well spent"!
That's my take on it.
|Good for you!||Ray Sachs|
Jan 3, 2003 6:23 AM
|Me, I hate 'em. Trainer, rollers, stationary bike - hate 'em all, pretty much equally.
I just ride as much as I can in the winter (not that much, but it keeps me from going totally to seed and I seem to get it back reasonably quickly in the spring), spend as much time on the fixed gear as I can, and hit the weights and do yoga during those evenings inside. I still own a cheap set of rollers and sometimes I'll get on 'em for 20-30 minutes just to warm up before lifting weights or doing yoga. Can't stand it though.
|I vote Spinner||ColnagoFE|
Jan 3, 2003 6:28 AM
|Rollers are great for technique and can be fun to ride, but if you're looking for a way to stay in shape for the winter or are limited to a lot of indoor workouts due to work/kids, I don't think you can get much better than the fixed gear Spinner. They certainly beat a standard trainer in my opinion. You can simulate anything from huge hills to fast sprints in seconds by turning the resistance wheel. With the rollers you are going to be a bit more limited to the amount of resistance you can create--even with the extra resistance units. Maybe split up the time between the Spinner and the rollers. You're less likely to get bored that way. My 2c.|
|with 3" rollers and some gears, you can get a lot of variation||bill|
Jan 3, 2003 7:11 AM
|and, yes, resistance in your training. The people who say otherwise I'm not sure have ever been on rollers.
The one thing you cannot do (or, at least, I cannot do) on rollers is really high resistance, really low cadence. Although. As I've got better with them, I am managing both higher cadence and lower cadence work. I was spinning this a.m. mostly about 110, but I went down to 50 or so just before jumping off, because I could.
Okay, the one thing you cannot do (or, at least, I cannot do) on rollers is out of the saddle sprints. But you can, seated, spin like a madman at relatively high resistance, and you will smooth out your stroke doing so. Heck, you can get out of the saddle, too; you just can't throw your bike around, which I'm not sure is a bad thing. Why shouldn't your sprint be as efficient as your time trial?
You can get your heart rate up (HIGH, REALLY, REALLY, HIGH), you can do resistance, etc., etc., etc. What's not to like?
You've already got the spinner bike. Go for rollers. Rollers changed my life -- I am dead serious.
|For me it's rollers||trimble|
Jan 4, 2003 4:47 AM
|I ride rollers, so I'll comment about that.
Before rollers, my strong leg was my right leg and it showed. Also, and more importantly, the right side of my crotch was prone to saddle sores, etc. However, since riding rollers on a regular basis, my pedal stroke has evened out and I find that saddle sores aren't a problem anymore.
For most of us riding a stationary trainer, whether it's rollers or others, can be mind-numbing. What helps me pass the time is my CD mix of metal/prog rock music played loudly on my jam box as I ride my rollers in the garage. I also don't ride at the same pace in the same gear. I vary the pace/intensity during the ride and this makes the time go by even faster.