|Is this a good deal? Info '97 Miyata 512||aarontoy|
Dec 26, 2002 10:51 AM
|Hi everyone. I'm new to this list. I have a pretty high end Mt bike but have been looking at getting a road ride. I can only afford entry level at this point but came upon a deal that I've been trying to research before I blow money on it. Does anyone have any experience with or know of the Miyata 512? I know a lot about mountain bikes but not about road bikes. I don't want to spend good money on the road equivilent of a Murray or Huffy. I have scoured the net looking for info on this model and come up empty. Here's the scoop: Miyata 512 12 speed road bike. Chrome Moly frame. Shimano Light Action crankset & Shimano Bio Pace front sprocket. Shimano brakes.$100.|
|re: Is this a good deal? Info '97 Miyata 512||motta|
Dec 26, 2002 12:59 PM
|I think you mean an '87 Miyata 512. Think of it this way, you can try out road riding on this, if it isn't for you then no big loss. If you like it then use it as trade in towards a new bike if that shop will take an old road bike on trade, alot won't. I won't go into the specifics of components etc,, just keep in mind that it is old and it is not worth trying to upgrade or sink more money into. If it doesn't fit or needs a chain and freewheel and tires and tubes and bar tape and saddle, or service then save your money. Offer $50.|
|I agree, 15 year old technology||Dave Hickey|
Dec 26, 2002 1:18 PM
|low-mid range components. $50 sounds about right.|
|It really needs to be in MINT condition||RickC5|
Dec 27, 2002 6:15 AM
|and very well maintained, or $100 may turn out to be too much if you have to start replacing things like tires, cables, etc. Ask when it was last overhauled. I'm betting you will need to do this if it hasn't been done in a few years.|
Dec 27, 2002 7:15 AM
|Here's the scoop. I offered the guy $80. Still waiting for a reply. He sent me a pic of the bike. It's in decent shape from what I can see in the pic. Of course I'll ride it first to check fit. I just upgraded my $2000 mountain bike and my wife would kill me if I spent $500-$800 on a new entry level road bike. So I figure I'll spend a little on this one and upgrade like I did with my dirt ride. Buy last years components at reduced price. Here's the pic he sent, in case any of you guys can see something inherently bad that would make me want to reconsider. BTW, I really appreciate all the constructive advice. Thanks. -@@ron|
|Cool bike! It DOES look well-loved.||OldEdScott|
Dec 27, 2002 7:32 AM
|And as far as inherent value, it's definitely worth $80 (or $100). I'd buy it.
I would caution you, though, that 'upgrading' as you describe will not be either easy or cheap or desirable on this bike. You'll get in over your head very quickly buying stuff that's simply not designed for this bike. Neither the 'upgrades' nor the bike nor your pocketbook will be happy.
It's a fine bike as is. It's engineered for freewheels and 6 speeds and downtube shifters. Fix what needs to be fixed with appropriate parts and ride it happily.
In the interest of full disclosure, I used to ride one of these back in the day, and loved it. Sold it for $150 in 1995 and regretted it ever since.
|If you're into retro stuff, this is an OK deal. But||OldEdScott|
Dec 27, 2002 7:08 AM
|for a newby wanting to check out road riding, maybe $100 is too much. I'm betting you'll have to put another hundred into it -- new chain, new freewheel (hard to find), cables, replace the biopace chainring because it will be too weird for you, tires, tubes, bar tape, maybe pedals if you want to go clipless ... It kind of adds up.
That said, the 512s are pretty nice bikes. If I found one in good shape for $100, I'd pay that much (although as others have said, I'd try to get it for $50). But I like fooling with old bikes.
Dec 27, 2002 9:47 AM
|At 80$, assuming the guy doesn't try to fatten his profit by jacking shipping, you can't go too wrong.
Miyata was a quality Japanese builder. Their touring model still sets the standard according to many experienced tourers. Bike should weigh 21-22# which is heavy only by today's standards but was about the standard for the time. Alot of pro racers won alot of races and even climbed the same mountains today's riders climb on 21# bikes. You can get a new roadie for */- $500 it won't be any lighter or better made than your Miyata. As you know the engine is more important than the chasis in our sport. Many riders on bikes weighing 5-6# less and sporting 8 more gears have been dropped by guys on bikes like that.
As was pointed out at the top the bike gets you into what can be a quite expensive hobby/sport for very minimal $ and will ride well enough to give you a true feel for road riding.
OldEd is right though, ride that bike as is. Modernizing would be too pricy and involve too many compromises.
|Sage advice...Thanks. Another Update.||aarontoy|
Dec 27, 2002 10:26 AM
|Thanks all of you. The guy replied to my email offer and will accept $80. I'm driving over this afternoon to check it out. His close proximity means there are no shipping charges. I'll let you guys know what happens. Not sure how roadies differ from dirt riders in terms of tinkering and upgrading. Most dirt riders pride themselves on being able to find a good deal on a part and upgrade their rig themselves. Don't see why this would be different for roadies. Are road bikes more difficult to work on or maintain that mountain bikes? Are the parts more expensive? Personally, I'm accustomed to finding deals for new parts at 70% off retail and doing the work myself. In fact, I find it a relaxing and rewarding hobby since I'm a cheapskate and tinkerer at heart. Maybe someone enlighten me as to why the experience would be any different on a road bike as I'm truly ignorant. The way I see it, a bike is a bike is a bike. Unless it's a Murray or Huffy. ;O)|
|Please level that saddle before riding!!||motta|
Dec 27, 2002 1:06 PM
|By all appearances you have done well for $80. Looks clean and well maintained, even has what look like clipless pedals on it. The negative responses to upgrading it with new stuff is because of compatibility. The frame spacing in the back is most likely 126mm and would need to be spread to accept new hubs and cassettes. It would be an all out purchase of a new group if you wanted it to be done right and that is where you have to decide if this frame is worth it. Shimano 105 groups are about $550, about as entry level as you want to get, especially if you ride a $2000 MTB. Most would tell you it is not worth it. Some people do upgrade frames like this but they have an emotional attachment, fits well, etc.|
|Oh guys, come on||Trent in WA|
Dec 27, 2002 9:24 PM
|Miyatas were wonderful bikes in their day, and judging by their continued popularity in Europe (esp. Holland), they still make a good bike. As far as upgrading goes, if the OP wants to hang different / tricker parts on it, he can do so without dropping big bucks--especially if he doesn't insist on STI / Ergo and can live with friction shifting--and it won't be like trying to put Campy Record on Bessie the cow. New tires, chains, and (6-speed) freewheels (readily available from good shops and / or Harris Cyclery) aren't that expensive, and are just part of the costs of owning and operating a bike, road or otherwise. Keep an eye out for used bits, sales, etc. If it works, snag it and enjoy it.