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Colnago Dream B-stay or Ti bike??(17 posts)

Colnago Dream B-stay or Ti bike??katie1
Dec 19, 2002 7:01 AM
I want a new road bike to race with next year. Should I go with the Colnago w/ carbon stays (can build up to weigh ~16.5#) or ti bike?? I am a climber.
re: Colnago Dream B-stay or Ti bike??bsdc
Dec 19, 2002 7:42 AM
I think you could build up a Ti bike to weigh ~16.5# if you went for one of the new compact designs. Both would be great bikes. I think it comes down to do you like the clean, industrial look of bare titanium or do you like the colorful paint jobs of Colnagos. I would likely pick titanium because of its reputation for smooth ride and longevity. The Colnago with its aluminum tubes and carbon fiber rear triangle might make for a slightly stiffer climbing bike. Either way, I'm sure you'll be enjoying a very nice ride soon.
re: Colnago Dream B-stay or Ti bike??katie1
Dec 19, 2002 8:17 AM
Thanks. What company would you go with for a Ti bike? I have access to Litespeed.
Dec 19, 2002 8:45 AM
I think in the long run, you'll be happier with titanium. I'd get the Colnago CT1 b-stay. The CT1 and Dream are about the same weight. To get the lightest weight, upgrade to the Star fork (very pricey, though).

My team mate just changed from a Dream Plus to a CT1 b-stay and loves it.

Doug will sell you a Star for cheap!ColnagoFE
Dec 19, 2002 12:43 PM
That is if you like the Geo paint scheme and ride a really small bike! (Sorry...couldn't resist).
Ti Bikebsdc
Dec 19, 2002 11:13 AM
I see your "name" is katie1 and you say you are a climber, so I'm picturing a relatively shorter, lighter female. From what I've read you are a racer, weight seems to be an issue and I don't imagine that frame flex is a big problem. If you want all titanium, you can't go wrong with Litespeed, Merlin, Serotta, Seven, etc. I'm picturing you on one of the new compact, lightweight climbers like the Litespeed Ghisallo, Merlin Mangia, or Seven Alta. If you can get a good deal on a Litespeed, I'm sure you'd be happy. I'm looking for a dream bike myself. I'm leaning a little towards Seven. The price seems reasonable and includes custom sizing.

DougSloan makes a good point about the Colnago CT1. It would be a good combination of a titanium front triangle with a B-stay rear end. I guess you could think of it as the best of both worlds if you are having trouble choosing between all titanium and a Colnago with a B-stay. I do like the paint jobs on the Colnagos. I just hate it when they get scratched. That's what keeps leading me back towards all titanium.
re: Colnago Dream B-stay or Ti bike??_rt_
Dec 19, 2002 9:03 AM
hey. sorry so slow in responding to your email. just got back into town last night. will email you this afternoon....

re: Colnago Dream B-stay or Ti bike??Lactate Junkie
Dec 19, 2002 9:30 AM
What category will you be racing?
re: Colnago Dream B-stay or Ti bike??CT1 Guy
Dec 19, 2002 12:04 PM
Being of the lighter build, I can highly recommend the CT1 -I can vouch for its climbing abilities - as well as being able to out-descend virtually anyone - regardless of weight and size due to the confidence it gives me on the descents. The ride down off the Tourmalet on the day of the Tour in July was epic. I've ridden a number of aluminum bikes and felt that the buzz was distracting and would only lead to longer term discomfort. I'm looking forward to riding the CT1 on the Tour of Flanders in April and will be laughing at those guys suffering on their aluminium frames. Buy the CT1 from the UK and save yourself $$$
Our household has 3 Dreams: avoid the B-Stay, here's why:lonefrontranger
Dec 19, 2002 1:14 PM
My SO has a 59cm Reflex blue '00 Dream Plus, I have an '02 49cm AD4 Dream Cross (same frame with canti bosses and reinforcement) and a 46cm semi-compact '03 Landbouwkrediet (TM-11) Dream Plus *STANDARD* version. I ordered the standard stay frame from Maestro-UK because Colnago still spec's them, but you cannot order the standard Al frame from the U.S. distributor.

If I read correctly, you are both female and small (climber), right?

I have been told by more than one professional and reliable source in the industry that carbon rear stays are essentially worthless on an AL bike, especially if you ride a small frame. They add weight, a bonded joint, and not much functionality. What functionality they do add is significantly lessened by the smaller sized frames. This is even more the case with the B-stay, which is proportionally fit and sized to the frame rather than a stock tacked-on item as with most mfgrs.

FWIW, I am also small and female and adore both my Dream Plus and the 'cross bike. Levi Leipheimer really digs his Dream Cross, too:

I'm more of a stage racer and 'critter than climber but the Master tubing makes the aluminum a lot less jangly to ride in 3 hour stages. I cannot ride anything with a longer than 51.5cm top tube, therefore almost all American stock frames are out of the question. If you are still interested in the 'nag, I cannot recommend Maestro highly enough. The frame he arranged for me is practically a custom job, and took only 6 weeks straight from the mfgr. I would recommend avoiding Trialtir (U.S. Colnago distributor); they are complete wankers.
Answer: LS Sienakatie1
Dec 19, 2002 2:22 PM
Well I drove around the city of Atlanta today trying various bikes made of Al w/carbon stays, ti, carbon and ti w/ carbon stays. I settled on the Litespeed Siena w/dura-ace. I prefer the compact geometery (I am on a compact now). To answer earlier questions, I am 125#, female, a climber and primarily a road racer (Cat 3 but 2 points shy of moving up to Cat2). I know LS are criticized for being overpriced and a dime a dozen in the SE but it felt great! It was love with the first peddle stroke. The LBS that I test rode it at let me take it out for as long as I wanted after they slapped my pedals on it. I should get it next week. After modifying some of the standards that come w/ it, it should weigh < 17# w/ room to lighten it more. It was a little more than I would have spent on the Colnago but marginally.

I'll give an update after my Christmas present to myself arrives. :)
I just bough one of those myself...Bruno S
Dec 19, 2002 3:16 PM
should be ready this weekend. I believe its the best C/Ti option out there. Other options like Dean, Sampson, Airborne, etc. are cheaper but not as nice. The Colnago CT1 was the only other real alternative for me.
What are you building it up with??katie1
Dec 19, 2002 3:50 PM
How much do you expect it to weigh?

What are you building it up with? I am using full dura-ace, Ultegra BB, X/1 peddles, Ksyrium SL wheels, Terry Butterfly w/ Ti rails (I know, not the lightest but it works for me), Time Carbon post, 3T Zep bars and stem. I expect it to be < 17#.
What are you building it up with??Bruno S
Dec 19, 2002 4:03 PM
I am using full dura-ace, dura-ace BB, my old Ultegra pedals (for now), Ksyrium SL wheels, Contis GP3000, Flite Gel w/ Ti rails, Litespeed Ti seatpost, Ritchey WCS bars and stem. Mine should be around 17# but weight is not my main concern. Maybe we should go out for a ride together...
Live in Atlanta? (nm)katie1
Dec 19, 2002 6:35 PM
Live in Atlanta? (nm)Bruno S
Dec 20, 2002 7:07 AM
No. But if you are ever in San Diego, page me on this board.
All righty. (nm)katie1
Dec 20, 2002 9:17 AM