|Shimano 10 or 11 speed rumors||Niwot|
Dec 17, 2002 7:17 AM
|I can definitely say two things about this:
It gives the bike mags and the message boards something to talk about during the winter.
It will slow 2003 sales of Dura-Ace and Ultegra, and complete bikes as well, to a crawl, because we will all sit tight and wait for the new 10 or 11 speed stuff instead of shelling out cash now for new 9-speed gear. Why buy a new bike now when you can wait until fall 2003 and get a new bike with 10 or 11 speed Dura-Ace? Does anyone want to spend over $4000 to buy (for example) a 2003 Litespeed Tuscany or Trek 5900 with 9-speed Dura-Ace when the 10 or 11 speed components will be here in less than a year?
Go ahead, dealers, you can start slashing prices now.
|I'm ready to pay extra for EIGHT speeds||Silverback|
Dec 17, 2002 8:30 AM
|IMO, this is a pure triumph of marketing over good sense. I still have one old clunker with six speeds and one with seven (plus two eights and a nine; what do the REST of you do with your old bikes?). For nearly all the riding nearly all of us do, there's simply no real advantage to more speeds beyond six or seven, and you give up things I'm not willing to sacrifice. My six-speed setup, on a bike I use in snow and slush, will run through anything and grind up sticks. The more speeds you add, the more finicky it gets.|
|We sorta had this discussion yesterday, and||OldEdScott|
Dec 17, 2002 9:29 AM
|your iron logic won't get anywhere with this crowd.
The irony is, Shimano can't make all nine speeds work in their current setup without chain rub,unacceptable chain deflection, and general delicacy and finickyness. Now they're going to add two more unusable speeds, and thin out the chain and cogs even further?
Hey Shimano: Make nine speeds work before you leap to 11.
|Got that right!||No_sprint|
Dec 17, 2002 10:39 AM
|I've mentioned it here before, when I'm using the 39, I've resigned myself to the fact that my lowest 3 in the back are just off limits. My Record 10 works flawlessly and has never needed adjustment. My DA bike visits the wrench all the time.|
|Maybe you need a new wrench||Niwot|
Dec 17, 2002 11:25 AM
|If you can't use your three *lowest* gears when you're in the 39T ring, that is NOT normal. You either have something improperly installed, or something abnormally wrong. I have a 9-speed D-A bike and a 9-speed Ultegra bike, both with 12-25 cassettes, and I've never had any problems using the three lowest gears (21, 23, and 25 in that setup) or any gear for that matter except the 39/12 combo, and honestly I've never even tried to use a 39/12 gear. I've also never used the other cross gearing, i.e. 53/25. I'd bet that you wouldn't want to use the small-biggest or big-smallest combo on any system, whether it's Campy or Shimano. 53/23 works just fine on my bikes with a 12-25 cassette.
Now if you meant to say "highest 3" instead of "lowest 3", meaning you can't use 39/12, 39/13, and 39/14 -- you should be able to use 39/13 and 39/14 if your bike is properly setup and adjusted. I've never had a problem with either, though I rarely use either combo and IMO there is little reason to use them because you're better off shifting into your 53T ring. (Of course, if you ride Campy a lot, you might not be in the habit of shifting back and forth between the rings as much, because that transition is not as smooth with Campy.)
To digress, if you really really like those odd combos, you probably would be happier with a 42T small ring, unless you do a lot of climbing, in which case a triple crank with a 42T middle ring might be the way to go.
Dec 17, 2002 11:35 AM
|Excellent wrench. Pro roadie and cross. It just goes out of adjustment all the time. I also use carbon cranks with a little less space in between the chainrings than DA, thus, chainrub against the large ring in the 11/12 area when on the 39. That combo is off limits on my Shimano bike thus, I don't ever use it.
My Campy 10 is flawless and has never been adjusted.
|Good thing though...||SamDC|
Dec 17, 2002 9:24 AM
|All the 9 speed stuff will be on sale soon!|
|re: Shimano 10 or 11 speed rumors||No_sprint|
Dec 17, 2002 10:40 AM
|How many people who in the course of discussions have said *oh, Campy has one more speed, who cares?* and will be rigging for more Shimmy speeds ASAP?|
|might be nearly time for my 9-spd upgrade..||dotkaye|
Dec 17, 2002 2:56 PM
|should be able to get some good deals on 9-spd now, I'm thinking.. heh.|
|for most people here...||empacher6seat|
Dec 17, 2002 7:52 PM
|who probably wont be racing in the tour any time soon... is it really worth it shelling out what's probably going to be an absurd amount of money for an extra couple or speeds? Will it really make riding easier or more comfortable?
I agree with the other poster who said he'd rather pay extra for eight speeds. I currently have a 7-speed, and there's no reason I need to upgrade to 9.