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I'm looking for a new frame???(14 posts)

I'm looking for a new frame???Jsmithers
Dec 13, 2002 12:05 PM
I'm looking for a new race frame. I weigh 175lbs and I'm 6'3". What do you suggest? I'm considering Trek 5900, Calfee, Colnago C40, or??? Should I look other carbon??

re: I'm looking for a new frame???Smoothie
Dec 13, 2002 1:47 PM
Look 381i or 386.

Maybe you should start looking the geometry charts for these bikes. They are all going to give you a different ride and setup. Go with comfort, usage, price, history/warranty, than looks if it goes that far.
re: I'm looking for a new frame???Jsmithers
Dec 13, 2002 1:54 PM
My main consideration is light weight and stiffness in a 60cm size. I do not know if the smaller carbon tubes will be stiff enough??
re: I'm looking for a new frame???Smoothie
Dec 13, 2002 2:07 PM
Well I know the Look frames (the 486 and the 381i) use 3 different sized tubes depending on the size of the frame. The 386 doesn't though. But all three of the frames are lugged for added stiffness.
486 = 1700g
381i = 1850g
386 = 1750g

At the larger sizes you have to take larger weight penalties to get stiffness. Maybe try going with carbon that's lugged in the BB and headtube - that should increase the stiffness. I don't know enough about the other frames to comment on them.
re: I'm looking for a new frame???jtolleson
Dec 13, 2002 3:41 PM
Actually, the 386 is monocoque. I think it is the only one.

But query to the original poster, do you have a lot of disposable income that you would want to race a C40?
re: I'm looking for a new frame???Jsmithers
Dec 13, 2002 3:48 PM
I do not mind spending more if it truly would be a better bike. Right now the top of my list is the Merkx Team SC. What do you think?
Dec 13, 2002 10:02 PM
there are those (better than I) who can help you identify a great racing frame, but the bigger query is how long you want it to last and whether you can afford to replace a crashed frame, etc.

So, my main thought was that there aren't many recreational racers who can afford to race $4000 bikes, and there aren't many Cat III/IV/V races in which the margin of victory is attributable to the bike. Your question just indicated a luxury or cash flow that I found pretty ... amazing.
re: I'm looking for a new frame???Brad S
Dec 14, 2002 11:44 AM
I am also 6'3" and I have a 2002 Merckx Team SC (size 62 cm) for sale. I am selling the frame/fork/headset. Email me at if you are interested. Frameset only has 2 months of riding on it, in excellent condition.

It's a great frame, but I need the $ and have too many bikes.

re: I'm looking for a new frame???ASiegel993
Dec 14, 2002 3:56 PM
Actually, the 486 and 386 are both monocoque frames. The 486 is by far the fastest of the bunch, since its tubes are super-oversized and it's a monocoque which is by nature stiffer than lugged framesets. Be aware though, you can't ride either a 486 or 381 and expect it to feel like the other one. The 381's geometry is much more relaxed and more distance oriented while the 486's is more of a upright, all out speed geometry. Of course, describing the geometries like that is a blanket coverage, it just matters which feels more comfortable to you. I also wouldn't limit yourself to just carbon. A custom made Ti bike will also be a good option, as will a top end aluminum frame like a Fondriest or Merckx. Also, if you're looking into carbon, don't forget the DeRosa King, Fondriest Top Carbon (really expensive, but I'd imagine it's incredible even though I haven't ridden one) and the Merckx carbon bike, which I think is called the GX2., although not having the best prices, carries all of the bikes I mentioned, as well as the Look bikes, and you may want to check that out just for reference.
re: I'm looking for a new frame???No_sprint
Dec 13, 2002 2:12 PM
Talk to the main man at Calfee, Craig. He told me he could make one as stiff as I want.
re: I'm looking for a new frame???Traveller
Dec 13, 2002 7:36 PM
Look into Parlee as well, its new but is supposed to be a great bicycle, in league with Calfee Dragonfly. For more information do a search on Calfee site and you will come across discussions on Parlee.

Attached is Parlee's http: Web Page is not very informative. But this year Tyler Hamilton and Ryan Sabga both used this make.
willing to sacrifice it in a race???...C-40
Dec 14, 2002 6:31 AM
I've always thought of amateur race bikes as disposable items. Something that wouldn't damage the wallet too much if crashed. Top of the line carbon seems a bit risky for a race bike.

With all of the stiff Al or Al/carbon frames available that are just as light as carbon, I would think twice before spending twice as much on a carbon frame. At your height and weight the harsher ride of Al should not be objectionable.

Any of the frames that you have mentioned would certainly do the job, just be sure that you get the correct size. I've seen a number of people on this site post pictures of their new rides that were obviously the wrong size.
De Rosa is making a carbon with AL head tube frameGeoCyclist
Dec 14, 2002 6:37 AM
The KING is carbon with an aluminum head tube. I started riding one of these frames last week. The bike is plenty stiff, but I'm only 5'9" and 165 lbs, so there is a big difference in height between you and I. Great ride, but I don't know how well it will be on a much larger frame? Of course you have the $$$ factor to consider when racing!!!
Look here ALAN Carbonio 303Noam
Dec 14, 2002 7:37 AM

I have one of these. love it. light fast pretty.
Made in Italy and do not eqiup it with anything else but Campy