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Lemond Zurich v. Gunnar Roadie(23 posts)

Lemond Zurich v. Gunnar Roadieabelson
Dec 12, 2002 6:05 AM
I'm and looking for a new bike and I have narrowed it down to the zurich and the roadie (I have a beat up Fuji Touring bike whose days are numbered). I am curious to hear people's opinions on the bikes. I don't race but I put on a lot of miles. I want a road bike that I can ride for a long time is comfortable and relatively fast.

I am attracted to the Gunnar because its built by Waterford and the fact I can build up the frame -- with that said the Lemond seems to come built up pretty nice already and I can test ride a Lemond but not the Gunnar since the LBS only sells them as framesets

Your comments would be appreciated
Can't go wrong with eitherOldEdScott
Dec 12, 2002 7:10 AM
I own a Zurich, best friend owns a Roadie. Both very comparable, and very nice. I guess there's something to be said for personalizing your component spec, but I'm happy with the Ultegra on the Z.
re: Lemond Zurich v. Gunnar RoadieAlpedhuez55
Dec 12, 2002 7:25 AM
I had considered both, for me it came down to fit. I have short legs and a long trunk and the Zurich fit me perfectly. I was considering a custom made frame but the Zurich was pretty much the size of the frame I would have had built for me. You cannot go wrong with either of those two bikes.

If you want comfort, I think the LeMond is the way to go. The longer chain stays and slack seat tube make for a cushy ride, but it is stiff in the bottom bracket. I am sure the Gunnar is pretty confortable as well though.

Good Luck!!!
Mike Y.
re: Lemond Zurich v. Gunnar RoadieSpunout
Dec 12, 2002 7:30 AM
I bought my Zurich frame only, used, from eBay. Then, built it up with Chorus and it is magnificent. Rides without road buzz, silky feel on the road. Stiff in the BB for climbing/sprinting.
Not usually a fan of color coordination - BUT that look's good!!pben
Dec 12, 2002 8:36 AM
well done - looks fantastic! (nm)up_hiller
Dec 12, 2002 8:48 AM
well done...C-40
Dec 12, 2002 9:26 AM
Fine example of building. Everything looks like it should. No big stack of spacers under the stem. The bars and ergo levers are properly angled.

How much distance from the saddle to the top of the bars?
Around 10 cm. This is the absolutely smallest frame thatSpunout
Dec 12, 2002 10:35 AM
will fit me, a Lemond 55cm. I owned a Colnago 56cm before, used a longer stem. Being average in the upper body brings the long TT into my reach with a smaller frame. I have the Thomson +5 stem, works very well.

I'm thinking of getting deeper bars, like Deda 215 Deep Drop. I like high hoods for climbing but like to hammer in the drops. I think a -17* stem would be a bit low right now.
That is a sweet looking bike. Love the colours. Nice one! (nm)StevieP
Dec 13, 2002 4:37 AM
Absolutely stunning... better looking than my Victoire! NMfliparagon
Dec 19, 2002 4:16 PM
re: Lemond Zurich v. Gunnar Roadiegtx
Dec 12, 2002 7:55 AM
The geometry is pretty different. If you already know you like the fit/ride of the Lemond there's a decent chance you won't like the Gunnar.
re: Lemond Zurich v. Gunnar Roadieabelson
Dec 12, 2002 8:13 AM
How is the fit different?
I have not had chance to ride the Lemond yet. I have heard that the way the Lemond is laid out it is ideal for pedal mashers which I am not (I am a spinner). Any thoughts?

thanks for all of the quick replies
re: Lemond Zurich v. Gunnar RoadieAlpedhuez55
Dec 12, 2002 8:45 AM
The Lemond will have a longer top tube, set back seat tube angle, and longer chain stays. This makes for a more comfortable ride. THe seat being set back a little can increase your leverage to your pedals.

Like anything else, your mileage may vary. It is best to try test ride a bike with simular to the Gunnar. I bought a bike with a frame that did not fit me very well. My search just led me back to the Lemond. It is a more standard geometry and I am sure you will find something close to it in shops, maybe in a Jamis, Ironhorse, KHS or Schwinn. The Gunnar Frame will be better made than any of those though.

Good Luck!!!
re: Lemond Zurich v. Gunnar Roadiegtx
Dec 12, 2002 5:55 PM
I'd say the Lemond is on the slack side of the spectrum and the Gunner on the steep side. I'd recommend starting with a test ride of the Lemond and go from there. Keep in mind that there are other handbuilt steel frames for the same or less money than Gunnar. Teesdale, Curtlo, etc. Steelman has his frames on sale now, too.
Lemond Geometry myth...C-40
Dec 12, 2002 9:35 AM
Lemond geometry has pretty much disappeared. Take a close look at the geometry charts. Lemond frames no longer have slack seat tube angles and long top tubes.

Lemond geometry is now pretty much the same as 90% of the other brands out there.
Lemond Geometry myth...abelson
Dec 12, 2002 9:58 AM
Anyone know anything or have ridden a Gunnar Sport? It appears has a more relaxed geometry then than the Roadie. I am also consdiering that as a possiblity
Lemond Geometry myth...gtx
Dec 12, 2002 5:53 PM
the 57 has a 72.5 STA. That is on the slack side of the spectrum for that size. They also have a 41.5 c-stay, which is longish for a race bike. These are pretty close to Merckx numbers.
when did Lemond change their geometry?tarwheel
Dec 13, 2002 5:46 AM
You're right. I just checked the geometry tables at the lemond web site, and a size 57 is a full 1 cm shorter across the top than they used to be. It's now 57.5 and used be 58.5. I have been avoiding Lemonds all these years for that reason alone. The seat tube angle is still 72.5 and chain stays a little longer than most at 41.5, but their overall geometry is pretty middle-of-the-road now.
re: Lemond Zurich v. Gunnar Roadiebigdeal
Dec 12, 2002 10:10 AM
Before the accident which rendered my Z useless I debated between the exact same two bikes. Test ride them both and see which you like more, in 2002 there were some appreciable differences (both were the same size, Ultegra equipped). The Z was more predictable (which later I viewed as slow and not-very-responsive) while the Roadie was more twitchy. For centuries on long straight roads this makes a difference, but for anything else the Z's too predictable (and boring).
There's also something to be said about building your bike to your specs. Not to start a war (please DON'T), but if you're really at a crossroads with the frame I'd go Campy and Roady. Or a nice DA/Ultegra mix....
re: Lemond Zurich v. Gunnar Roadieabelson
Dec 12, 2002 11:28 AM
If i go with the roadie I am planning on building the bike mostly ultegra - with DA hubs on Mavic Open Pros and a Carbon fork. I want to keep the price down so I don't want to do full Dura Ace and the comprable priced Campy is Centaur and my prefrence at the level is for ultegra -- If I could spend a little more I would probably go with campy
I love my Roadiekg1
Dec 12, 2002 12:14 PM
I looked at both bikes this year and wound up with the Roadie. Understanding that I am not being an aficianado, I found the two bikes to be very similar. I wound up with the 60cm Roadie, and if memory serves me, the geometry is almost identical to the 58cm Zurich.

For me, the bike shop selling the roadie was willing to do a lot more to earn my money (e.g., a 45 minute fitting), and I liked the idea of customizing the bike. For example, I told them I didn't want "Roadie" on the top tube and they said ok. Try that with a Lemond. On top of that, the roadie, full Ultegra, Mavic OPs, with custom paint, a wireless Flight Deck computer and Ritchy Road Logic pedals came in about $100 less than the Zurich without any add-ons.

I've got about 2,000 miles on the bike with one supported century, and I love the ride.

But not all is sweetness and light.

First, the decals are cheap. My bike lock rubbed off the "UN" in "GUNNAR" on one side of the down tube and when I asked the shop about the paint job (the custom job is supposed to be clear coated), they called Gunnar and learned that the clear coat goes on before the decals. What's the point of that? On the plus side, Gunnar will fix the decals for free (I live in Wisconsin near the factory so this doesn't involve a long wait).

Second, it took me some doing (or some doing on a mechanic's part) to get the chain line right (thanks to those on this board who helped with that problem). I had bad chain rub on the big ring if I was in the 1-4 cogs on the rear, and blew out a chain after about 1,200 miles. After several trips to shop, and two BBs (the shop paid for them and the chain as well), a 2mm shim between the frame and the BB fixed the problem. I don't know if that was a frame issue, a shop issue, or an Ultegra issue.

As a heads-up, I've seen the fork that comes as an upgrade on the Roadie (or used to at least), the Profile Design BRC(?) for incredibly low prices recently (e.g., $95). If I were to buy my Roadie now, I would be asking for the fork upgrade for no upcharge.

I'd still by the Roadie if I were doing it over again.

Good luck.
I love my Roadieabelson
Dec 12, 2002 2:55 PM
Did you find a shop where you could try the bike before you bought it? If so which one -- I am also in Wisconsin in Milwaukee. Now I am also pondering the possibility of the Gunnar Sport frame under the idea that it would be more comfortable to ride but still provide the performance I am looking for. I am not a racer I just like a bike that will effortlessly soak up the miles.
Considered both too, took the Roadie.theBreeze
Dec 12, 2002 4:31 PM
Both of these were on my short list too. I was lucky enough to be able to take them both out for an afternoon and test them on rough roads, steep curvey downhills and then back up. For me, the Lemond felt squirrelier. The Roadie fit like it was an extension of my body. Which is about 5'2" and 120 lbs, with a long inseam for my height. I also felt that the Roadie was a higher quality bike. It just seemed more solid. Like when you close the door of a BMW compared to a Honda.

I would also recommend being wary of the "myth" of the Lemond geometry. Everyone told me that a Lemond wouldn't be for me because of my short torso, but I found it to be surprisingly comfortable. Fit depends on flexibility, arm length and other unique qualities of an individual.

I had my Roadie built up with full Ultegra components, Mavic Open Pros, Biomax bars. I've put 5,000 miles on it in the last year and have enjoyed evey single one of them. I just wish the decals were equal to the overall quality of the bike. Mine are flaking away already.