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Today Show and Lance's speed...(23 posts)

Today Show and Lance's speed...QUiTSPiNiNArOuND
Dec 11, 2002 7:08 PM
I just notice how slow i am. They said, and i should have noticed, that lance can average 32mph for an hour. The average college student can do it for 45 sec. I can barely sprint at that speed. Is Lance really that genetically talented, or can a few of us can get near that kind of speed for a sustained time?
yes we're that fast..tao
Dec 11, 2002 7:30 PM
If by us you mean the rest the world and by a few you mean the likes of Jan Ullrich, Santiago Botero, and David Millar.

But since you probably mean us as this board then no, I don't think a few of us can hold the likes 475 watts for any sustained time, even for a short 10k (6 mile) TT. In fact, the effort required to draft at that speed is quite substantial.
So what's make them so special?QUiTSPiNiNArOuND
Dec 12, 2002 5:20 PM
Is it just there lungs, legs and heart that get them there. If i were to say i would just make my legs stronger and my heart and lungs more efficient, could i dot it?
Katie Couric is such a lightweight interviewer! nmgogene
Dec 11, 2002 7:53 PM
Katie Couric needs to see a dentistGreenEugene
Dec 11, 2002 7:57 PM
She has the ugliest smile in the business. You would think that with the coin she makes, she would have a prettier smile. However, she is a good friend of the environment, and a beautiful woman other than her smile. She is anti hunting, and a member of PETA.
Katie Couric needs to see a dentistThe Human G-Nome
Dec 11, 2002 9:13 PM
how Eugene, do i get the feeling there's a slant... perhaps an angle of some kind in EVERY one of your posts? could be wrong.
Katie Couric Needs A DentistGreenEugene
Dec 12, 2002 5:09 AM
She is all gums. It is a very ugly smile, although I would take her on in the sack.
Katie Couric needs a stiff one...Breakfast
Dec 11, 2002 9:19 PM
...and I don't mean a drink either!

Hunting is a noble thing. Most people get their meat from the supermarket or the restaurant and never show any reverance to their animal brothers, the hunter has to vie with the animal spirits just like the Indian did and is never guaranteed success in the hunt. Of course, some hunters don't consider such philosophic concepts always, either.

The Vegetarian and Vegan are just as noble and they choose to eat life in the form of plants but they are not a better person for it. All life eats life, and it can be a moral dilemma, can't it?
Breakfast: shutup and ride.Rubiks_Manuever
Dec 11, 2002 10:45 PM
Please try to restrain yourself from wandering cluelessly into territory you are unfamiliar with and unprepared to comment intelligently and reasonably on, such as the ethics of comtemporary hunting. Just ride your road bike hard and fast.
Dec 11, 2002 11:31 PM
Your comments seem to indicate you know something. Care to enlighten me on the ethics of contemporary hunting? I guess being a critic makes you an expert so I'd be interested in your credentials.

Otherwise I'll have to assume you are as clueless as you accuse others of being.

Shut up and ride. How rude!
Katie Couric needs a stiff one...breck
Dec 12, 2002 12:41 AM
Is this the same as saying Katie needs 172.5 mm 2X a day ... and i don't mean a crank shaft either!

Is it true some Vegans wear leather shoes? That would truly be in the horns of a dilemma. Which reminds me my pet Lone Horn steer, Sam Houston, gets nervous during hunting season.

Ahh Breakfast, you got me laughin' so hard i do need to log off ...must be the big dinner i ate, too many beans! :)

Cheers all,
Katie Couric needs a stiff one...breck
Dec 12, 2002 12:49 AM
.... and i don't mean a drink either!

Is this the same as saying Katie needs 172.5 mm 2X a day ... and i don't mean a crank shaft either!

Is it true some Vegans wear leather shoes? That would truly be in the horns of a dilemma. Which reminds me my pet Lone Horn steer, Sam Houston, gets nervous during hunting season.

Ahh Breakfast, you got me laughin' so hard i do need to log off ...must be the big dinner i ate, too many beans! :)

[sorry if i double-posted this]

Cheers all,
Dec 12, 2002 12:09 AM
Has Lance ever attempted the one hour record on the track? I believe Boardman holds the record at about 35 mph, but with all the hullabaloo over the definition of a "bike", i lost track. Lance's 32 mph is pretty fast. As you remember the drag increases as the square of the speed and the power required to overcome the drag increases as the cube of the speed. So if you were riding at 16 mph and increased to 32 mph that would be 4X the drag [ (32/16) = 2^2 = 4 ], and require 8X the power [ (32/16) = 2^3 = 8 ]. That's the problem, you can be riding along at an easy 16 mph thinking it would be nothing to do 32 mph. It Ain't So. :)

Cheers all,
Dec 12, 2002 5:58 AM
Just got the latest Bicycling magazine and they had a blurb titled "How Fit are You?". Anyway, they said you were in really good shape if you could do a 3 mile TT on level ground in less than 8 minutes (or better than 22.5 mph). I think that's about how fast you'd need to go to pull the "A" riders pace line in my local bike club.

Here I was thinking that I'd do a measured time trial next year and use that measure as a gage as to when I could try a Cat 5. It's staggering to realize the difference between a mearly competent club cyclist and an elite level athlete.
The 3-miler in under 8 min. is nothingTrekFurthur
Dec 12, 2002 7:16 AM
I posted a 7'22" time in a 3-mile TT stage of a race last season--I placed 14th in that stage in Cat. 5!
Podium, is that you???(nm)funknuggets
Dec 12, 2002 7:31 AM
I feel your pain (nm)niteschaos
Dec 12, 2002 11:11 AM
For someone who races, that's not that fast...James OCLV
Dec 12, 2002 8:34 AM
I think that maybe Bicycling was refering to it's average reader base (non-racers).

22.5 mph. is pretty nominal in a short TT, even for a CAT 5.
I take that action53T
Dec 12, 2002 10:42 AM
Right now, $100 says the average college student cannot do 32 mph for 45 seconds. That's 700 meters, by the way.

In crits, a good run up to a sprint on flat ground is about 29 to 32 mph, for about 600 to 900 meters. Folowed by 200 meters of 34 to 37 mph. I'm Cat 5 and usually top 5 in crits.

It is truly astounding that LA or Jan can average 32 for a hour. They certainly know how to "leave it all on the road."
Well, that depends on the college, champ.niteschaos
Dec 12, 2002 11:09 AM
If you go to GA Tech I bet the average college student can't even get the bike up to 32mph on level ground cause they all smoke like 3 packs a day (but I'm not bitter).

Serously though, 32mph for 45 seconds 'ain't nothing but a thang' for most Cat 5 I've seen in the Greenville,SC, and the Columbus,GA, area. As far a sprints go, as just an indicator I've hit well north of 40mph and still had guys coming around me, and this was just a lowly Class C college race (would be equivalent to Cat 4 and 5 everywhere else).
Perhaps you missed my very obvious point53T
Dec 12, 2002 6:07 PM
32 is no sweat for Cat 5s. Of course the average college student and the average Cat 5 are worlds apart. College racers and the average college student are worlds apart.

BTW, I'm somewhat BS proof on sprint speeds. Your "well north of 40mph" was not on flat ground, particularly with guys coming around you. Remember 40mph is 50% harder than 35mph. And 35mph on the flats is not coasting.
Perhaps you missed my very obvious pointda cyclist
Dec 13, 2002 12:52 PM
Gotta agree, no collegiate C racer is hitting over 40mph on flat ground. 40mph is a fast, fast sprint. Cipo sprints at about 42 (70kmh). The only collegiate riders I've seen hit those speeds are very, very fast A's (Cat 1 & mtb pro).
where are you getting your info? (nm)niteschaos
Dec 14, 2002 2:14 PM
The steepest The Silver Comet Trail gets is 3% and our sprints didn't take place on any of the "downhills". We were doing beer sprints and got up to 43mph on one of them. And I doubt Cipo only hits 42mph in a sprint because the whole peloton gets up to about 40mph during the last mile to keep breakaways at bay. I thought pros could hit over 50mph.