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Any firsthand experience with Rambouillet or Heron frames?(5 posts)

Any firsthand experience with Rambouillet or Heron frames?tarwheel
Dec 11, 2002 8:33 AM
I'm interested in feedback from people who own or have ridden Rambouillet or Heron frames. I really like the looks of the Rambouillet frames and the geometry is just what I am looking for, but I have a few concerns. It seems like they require special brakes and I would rather not have to buy new ones if possible -- I have a full Ultegra group that I would want to use. Also, Rivendell is very cagy about not disclosing the weight of these frames, even though they have a full discussion on the topic. I know you don't buy a Rivendell for the light weight, but I still would like to know what a Rambouillet frame and fork weigh -- say in size 58.

I am also curious about the new Heron frames, although the geometry is not as good for me as the Rambouillet. The Herons have a longer top tube and steeper seat tube angle, so they are a little more stretched out than I like. It appears that they could handle regular Ultegra brakes, though, and I think they are lighter. Anyone know what a Heron road frame and fork (steel) weigh in size 58?
Would Atlantis experience help?cory
Dec 11, 2002 9:41 AM
I've had an Atlantis for almost two years. The Rambo frames are lighter and a little steeper, of course, but for what it's worth, I love it. Rivendell was great to deal with--they answered all my questions and tried to help me figure out what components I had that would fit, to keep my cost down.
Since I already had a good mountain bike, I probably would get the Rambouillet now instead of the Atlantis again, but I've never found anything it's bad at. I've done a couple of rough-road centuries on it, and it's really good for that kind of riding.
I've noticed that they never mention weight, too. Grant will refer to it obliquely ("it weighs what it needs to"), but not give a figure. I've never weighed mine, but when I'm lifting bikes into the back of the truck, it's noticeably heavier than friends' Treks and whatnot. But it's made for a different purpose, and mine's big--64cm, while most of my buddies bikes are 56-58. Feels fine when I'm riding it.
Would I do it again? Absolutely. No complaints at all in 4,000 miles or so.
I thought you had a Rambo ...tarwheel
Dec 11, 2002 11:06 AM
Guess that was someone else, but I was thinking you had one. I'm not overly concerned with weight, but that's also one of the reasons why I am buying a frame -- because my old Bianchi weighs a ton.

BTW, I sent these same questions to Sheldon Brown at Harris Cyclery, and he said the Ultegra brakes won't fit the Rambo frame. He didn't know the weight.
re: Any firsthand experience with Rambouillet or Heron frames?sprockets2
Dec 11, 2002 2:45 PM
If the Rambo is something you simply must have, and you are going to spend a wad for one, don't quibble over the cost of some new brakes. They won't cost much.

An alternative: Waterford is now selling custom-built Reynolds 853/TT OX tubed frames (welded tubes) for $1200. Get the angles you want with the fork size you want.
re: Any firsthand experience with Rambouillet or Heron frames?Heron Todd
Dec 11, 2002 3:38 PM
>I'm interested in feedback from people who own or have ridden Rambouillet or Heron frames.

Well, I have some experience with the Herons. :-)

>The Herons have a longer top tube and steeper seat tube angle, so they are a little more stretched out than I like.

Keep in mind that the Herons have a higher head tube than most road bikes. This raises the handlebars relative to the saddle which effectively reduces the reach.

>It appears that they could handle regular Ultegra brakes, though, and I think they are lighter. Anyone know what a Heron road frame and fork (steel) weigh in size 58?

Yes, the Heron Road will accept the "regular" short-reach brakes (37-47 mm reach) while the Rambouillet uses the normal-reach brakes (47-57 mm). If you purchased an Ultegra group, you likely have the short-reach brakes.

I recently weighed a 56 cm frame (without fork), and it was 4.25 pounds. The steel fork will be about 1.75 pounds. I imagine that the Rambouillet will be pretty darn close.

If you are really interested in these two frames, you might want to check out the FAQ page on our website (http://www.heronbicycles.com/faq.html). There is a brief comparison between the Herons, the Atlantis, and the Rambouillet. It will be hard to make a bad decision with any of them.

Todd Kuzma
Heron Bicycles
LaSalle, IL 815-223-1776
http://www.heronbicycles.com