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frame buildingjaybird
Dec 11, 2002 6:32 AM
Where can I get info on learning to build frames? What type of welding experience would be most helpful? I am looking to pick up a new hobby and am considering taking a welding course or two at a technical college.

Is there a source that sells the jigs etc... or are most homemade contraptions?
Paging Nessism & other buildersslow-ron
Dec 11, 2002 6:49 AM
Unless you have a friend with a TIG welder or lots of cash to buy one you'd be better off to take a class on brazing. The equipment is cheaper and you can still build a nice lugged or lugless steel frame at an affordable cost.

Miniature torch sets sell for less than $200 at Lowe's & Home Depot and they are equipped with tanks.

I've done two repairs and I'm building my first frame now and it's been really fun so far. I think you'll like it if you like to tinker.

See if the real builders on this site have links and additional advice.

Do a search on Bringeli for tube sets and Paternak for a manual.
Paging Nessism & other buildersdaniel_2001
Dec 11, 2002 7:10 AM
I too have the desire to build a frame as a hobby. I was thinking of taking a framebuilding class. Living in the North East, I could find no such class that I could commute to.
no demandslow-ron
Dec 11, 2002 7:23 AM
Cycling isn't all that popular a sport. Then factor in that only a few cycle riders would actually want to spend the time to build a frame and you have about 10 of us in the whole country.

I don't know the link but this guy Paternak sells a book and he offers classes on frame building. He may have an on-line class that you both could enroll in.
Some linksNessism
Dec 11, 2002 7:47 AM
Ron pretty much nailed it, there isn't enough demand to make it worth the trouble for builders to put on classes. There is an internet community out there though to help. Check the following link for more information.

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/rinard/framebuild.htm

Internet forum for framebuilders

http://www.phred.org/mailman/listinfo/framebuilders

Good luck.

Ed
Some linksjaybird
Dec 11, 2002 8:18 AM
Thanks!

I did find that UBI in Oregon has 3 classes (brazing, tig ti and tig steel) You don't need any prior experience and you walk out of there with a frame. It does cost about $1900 though...
Make that 11Ken of Fresno
Dec 11, 2002 12:12 PM
I'd love to build my own frame. I've had lots of experience silver soldering copper tubing for large scale refrigeration units and everytime I picked up the torch I was thinking bicycle. Never got around to pursuing the idea though. If there were a book on the subject...
Here you go...Nessism
Dec 11, 2002 8:08 PM
Check out the following link for a nice framebuilding book. There is another more homebuild oriented book by Talbot but unfortunately it's no longer in print.

http://home.pacifier.com/~tpaterek/books.htm

If you are really serious, I can loan you my copy. Feel free to contact me if interested.

Ed
edwardness@mail.com
re: frame buildingAsh
Dec 11, 2002 8:29 AM
www.lyonsport.com
Jeff Lyon does a week long one on one course for like $1200, and there Yamaguchi too and also the Paterek frame building course and Hot tubes too
http://home.pacifier.com/~tpaterek/
http://www.yamaguchibike.com/html/Frame_Building_School.html
http://www.hottubes.com/build.html
Hey daniel_2001jaybird
Dec 11, 2002 10:11 AM
You might want to check out the hottubes link that Ash put up. Hottubes is located in Worcester, MA. I live in Boston, so I may got to that one.
UC Davis (CA) offers an exention class.SnowBlind
Dec 11, 2002 9:49 AM
They take you through all the steps in a quarter long class, including the painting if I remember.
They request that you already have brazing experence. Cost is about ~650 with materials.
Great way to build up a fixie!
you've got to learn to crawl before you can walkjulio
Dec 11, 2002 10:50 AM
If you're serious I think you're best bet is to enroll in welding/machining classes at a communuity college. This is much cheaper than a frame building class and will teach you the fundamentals over a semester rather than craming everything into one week. Most intro courses (at least here in CA) cover torches, brazing, arc (stick), MIG and TIG. They cover them briefly and if you really want to learn to weld you need to stay for the full lab period, not just do your samples and take off. The advanced courses generally focus on one type of welding, you'll want the TIG course. The community college courses are usually pretty good because people taking them are trying to learn job skills, the university courses I had to take focused more on the engineering aspect and less on the practical side. After taking the community college course you will be way more prepared for a frame building class and you can concentrate on the "art" of frame building and not be frustated by the basics. I've been welding for a long time and the truth is the is no substitute for practice.