|Winter Makes Me Sad||GreenEugene|
Dec 10, 2002 9:06 PM
|It seems the holidays are upon again. Winter is here, and in many ways that makes me sad. It means more people will be fueling up their evil SUVs and travelling and polluting the air. Winter makes me sad, because less bikes are on the road, and more people are driving. If you must drive during the holidays, then car pool. Try to ride to your destination if you can. Cars are evil polluters. Keep this in mind during the holidays.|
|Seasonal Affective Disorder||Chainstay|
Dec 10, 2002 9:18 PM
I hear that certain types of sunlamps help. The greens should be happy. It sets an example and encourages people not to drive their evil SUV's, which spin off the road all to frequently anyway.
|Guy's not talking about depression,||OldEdScott|
Dec 11, 2002 7:28 AM
|he's making a political point & trolling.|
|Agree, get some sun; sunlamps (go for a tan). nm||Spunout|
Dec 11, 2002 4:32 AM
|Get some sun!||RickC5|
Dec 11, 2002 6:45 AM
|We'll be driving our Expedition to New Mexico during the holidays for some sun and fun. SUVs rule!
BTW- I think Jesus would drive an Excursion. One look at our highways and he would want the giggest, safest thing on the road.
|Jesus wouldn't drive an Excursion||GreenEugene|
Dec 11, 2002 7:47 AM
|I doubt Jesus would drive an Excursion. I am not a worshiper of modern christianity. I worship the earth. I do feel, from reading history, that Jesus wouldn't even own a horse.
I hope you are car pooling. It would break my heart to know only one or two people are driving all those miles in something that is so evil to the earth.
|let's all hug the earth||DougSloan|
Dec 11, 2002 8:29 AM
|The earth is dirt. It has no feelings, no awareness, no soul. Just dirt (well, water...). Further, it is very good at "healing" itself.
The only importance of the earth is what it does for us. I agree that we should not "crap where we eat, though." I don't understand this being an emotional issue. AIDS, famine, war, discrimination, those are things worth getting worked up about.
|I disagree, the landscape is enough to invoke emotion||curtybirdychopper|
Dec 11, 2002 10:23 AM
|If you think about it, i'm sure you can imagine somewhere you've been on the earth over which it is worth getting emotional. John Muir, Ansel Adams and other dead naturalists are rolling over in their graves at your words! ;-)|
|sort of - but it's about people||DougSloan|
Dec 11, 2002 10:40 AM
|I live near Yosemite National Park. It's likely the most beautiful place on earth, and is rightly preserved.
I've also spent some time in Death Valley National Park. It looks like it's been nuked into oblivion or was an abandoned toxic waste dump. We preserve that, too. If people created a Death Valley, everyone would be outraged; it happens "naturally", and it's a national park. I can't quite figure that one out.
Getting a little emotionally worked up about Yosemite, Big Sur, the Grand Canyon, yes, that's expected; that's not quite the same as granting the earth a soul and "feeling" it's sorrow.
BTW, I'm not suggesting in any way that pollution is good or to be tolerated. All I'm saying is that it is people who are important, not the land itself. Some seem to want to exclude people, and all the effects of the entire scenario on people. People are the only thing that count.
|A little transference?||Kristin|
Dec 11, 2002 2:13 PM
|Just because a tree or flower or view may inspire emotion in us. That doesn't mean the earth feels happy too. Doug's statement stands correct, the earth is not sentient.|
|But he would ride a carbon Look (nm)||Paul|
Dec 11, 2002 9:39 AM
|internalize the world's problems & you'll never be happy||DougSloan|
Dec 11, 2002 6:49 AM
|BTW, things aren't good or evil; only actions are, IMHO.
Go ride your bike.
|internalize the world's problems & you'll never be happy||weiwentg|
Dec 11, 2002 7:26 AM
|don't internalize the world's problems, and nothing will ever get solved. yes, it is true that having too many high-level strivings leads to mental stress. ask Martin Luther King if he was ever free of worries.
I suppose I'm lucky I don't have a car, and live close to public transport. I promise, I'll continue taking that public transport as much as I can.
|internalize the world's problems & you'll never be happy||GreenEugene|
Dec 11, 2002 7:58 AM
|Thanks for helping be a solution to the problem.|
|so, what do you want from us?||DougSloan|
Dec 11, 2002 8:11 AM
|You imply that there is something we can tell you that will help. I can't imagine what that would be, except what I said: "Go ride your bike." That is my most sincere advice.
|Doug, you be the man!||RickC5|
Dec 11, 2002 8:58 AM
|Thanks for clearly stating my perspectives on evil things.
I guess I was in a sort of pissy mood, and felt like jerking poor Eugene's chain.
Shame on me.....
|I love winter.||MB1|
Dec 11, 2002 9:13 AM
|You get to see the planet in all it's glory and wonder.
Why don't you page me here before you come to DC for a protest and we can go for a ride.
|That is assuming that you actually ride in the winter. nm||MB1|
Dec 11, 2002 9:18 AM
|C02 is a greenhouse gas in California, please stop breathing.-nm||SnowBlind|
Dec 11, 2002 12:15 PM
|I think decay causes CO2, too, though; damned if do... nm||DougSloan|
Dec 11, 2002 2:24 PM