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New Memeber Needs Help(10 posts)

New Memeber Needs Helpmrr
Dec 10, 2002 4:31 PM
Hi My name is Martin Roberts. I am new to this site and could use some advice. I have been cycling for about two months and I love it. I am 51 years old and through cycling have lost over 46 pounds and I feel great. I use a Specialized Cypress Dx hybrid and want to upgrade to a road bike but could use some advice. I 've tried many bikes and have educated myself somewhat. I want the bike for fitness and to travel relatively long distances. I live in a very very hilly area. Comfort is relatively important as I can cycle many hours in a day. I narrowed my choice down to two bikes the Trek 5200 and the Lemonds Buenos Aires. I have test ride both and feel the trek 5200 is a little better on absorbing bumpy road shocks. I chose carbon and steel for their supposedly comfort. I feel more comfortable on the carbon trek yet it is $1000 more. My questions are
Which bike would you reccommend across time?
Is the trek higher price tag worth it in the long run?
Would the steel Lemond bike with a carbon seatpost be a good alternative to the Trek 5200?
and most important
Does a cyclist get used to any good bike across time so minute differences don't really matter much?
I am really tossed over these two bikes. I am a little more comfortable on the trek 5200 but will I and can I adapt to the lemond across time? Thank you all for any advice you can shed on this subject.
re: New Memeber Needs HelpTREKY
Dec 10, 2002 4:55 PM
Get what is the most comfortable to you.If the Trek is more comfortable then go with the Trek.In the long run you wont regret it.comfort is the most important thing if you are going to be in the saddle for long rides.The Trek is lighter which will help on the climbs.I have a Trek but that is not why I would reccomend it.The Lemond is a nice bike for your purposes to.Since you seem to feel the Trek feels better you will probably be more satified with that.
Some answersKerry
Dec 10, 2002 5:17 PM
Be very careful in comparing the ride between bikes - wheels, tires, and tire pressure can have an overwhelming influence on the feel of a bike. Saddle can get in the way of "feeling" the bike as well.

Are the bikes comparably equipped - is the $1K just for the frame or are you getting a number of other upgrades as well?

A carbon post would not make a significant difference. Most would tell you that in a normal length, they can't feel any difference between CF and Al or Ti.

It's all about fit. You will adapt a lot to a bike, but it should fit in the first place.
Along these linesOldEdScott
Dec 11, 2002 10:47 AM
are you sure it's the LeMond that's a little less comfortable, or is it the LeMond's saddle? The BA comes with a saddle that is virtually unrideable. Most people swap them out at first opportunity.

Frankly, I don't think the Trek is a thousand dollars better bike than the LeMond. If you decide you don't want the BA, I'd look elsewhere in the same price range instead of taking such a huge bump upward in price.
You lost 46 lbs. in 2 months? NMeyebob
Dec 10, 2002 6:26 PM
re: New Memeber Needs Helpmotta
Dec 10, 2002 6:44 PM
46 pounds in 2 months! That is impressive! The Trek carbon bikes come with a dazzling array of technological achievements and are worth the money they command. It is a bargain at only $1000 more. Consider the cost of a triple by-pass or some such health related matter and $1000 pales in comparison. If the Trek feels more comfortable than the Lemond than buy the Trek. In time you will forget the cost and appreciate the comfort every time you ride. Buy the bike because you will love it and every time you get on it will continue to give you the motivation to keep riding.
Those bikes may not suit your needs...timfire
Dec 10, 2002 8:05 PM
I'm not saying that those are "bad" bikes (by far, they are very nice) but you should consider some bikes that might better suit your needs. Especially since you haven't owned a roadbike, you may not know what you really want in a bike. I would urge you to really consider what you need and want before spending $2K-$3K on your first roadbike.

Realize that those two bikes you mentioned, though they are very "nice," are going to be race-oriented. That means long and low top-tubes, which doesn't do much for comfort. As others have said, comfort has more to do with fit than frame material.

Also realize that if you're not racing, you don't need the top of line lightest stuff. 105 components are just as durable and less expensive than ultegra (which is on the bikes you mentioned).

Since you have the money, you should really consider a Rivendell bike. They are built with touring in mind, and even though you probably aren't planning on doing any trips, "touring" decribes what you probably want to do (i.e. long, relatively slow and comfortable rides). At the very least you should go to their site and read their articles before you buy a bike, they know what they are talking about. [ www.rivendellbicycles.com ]

If you want to know what I ride, I ride a Jamis Quest. It's a great value for the money ($1300), and a very smooth ride. It's all the bike I need (and I was riding 250-300 miles a week this summer). The top-tube is a little low (got a stem with rise), and I wish it had some more room for fenders, but no real complaints.

I just don't want you to get a year down the road and decide that your $2000-$3000 bike isn't what you want.

--Timothy Kleinert
Those bikes may not suit your needs...motta
Dec 11, 2002 12:38 PM
Where does the attitude come from that someone doesn't need that level of bike or component? Just because someone does not race means that they are not allowed to enjoy the best cycling has to offer, that somehow they are less of a rider and don't rate that level of equipment. The guy riding 50 miles a week will get just as much out of the best equipment that a seasoned pro will. Rivendell should adopt the slogan "yesterdays technology at tomorrows price" $2800 for a steel frame that you may get in 6 months if you are lucky, that is absurd.
I didn't mean to give off that attitude.timfire
Dec 11, 2002 6:57 PM
I didn't mean to give off that attitude, and if I did then I apologize. It's not that I think a certain level of rider deserves a certain level of bike, the point I really wanted to make is he admitted to being a new rider, and I think it would be difficult for him to know what he wants in a road bike if he's never owned one before. And if he isn't sure what he wants, I would urge him to get a bit more aquainted with road riding before he shells out alot of money.

As far as components go, I was just trying to assure him that less-expensive options would serve him just as well. (Why wouldn't anyone want to save money?!?) It's not that I thought he didn't "deserve" those components.

And lastly, I am just a fan of buying bikes/parts that serve your intended purpose. If he's not going to race, why not consider a well-built touring bike? The geometry will a bit more relaxed and stable. Again, it goes back to him not neccessarily knowing what he really wants. Some people like ultra quick steering/ steep angles (which he will find on the bikes he mentioned) and some don't. Neither relaxed or steep geometry is "bad," they just serve different purposes and different riders.

Again, I apologize if I gave off a snobby attitude. I was really just trying to help him out.

--TK
46 lbs in two months........Len J
Dec 11, 2002 1:55 PM
anyone who can do that can conquer the world. Congratulations.

Now to your question:

I have a Lemond Buenos Aires and (up until It was destroyed in an accident in Sept) Had a Trek 5500. (the 5500 is the same frame as the 5200 with better wheels and Dura Ace instead of Ultegra. Some comments:

1.) Both are great bikes for their intended uses. The B/A is more of an entry level bike while the 5200 is a state of the art carbon racing frame.

2.) I found both to be equally though differently comfortable. The B/A is all day comfortable over any kind of road for any kind of distance. The Trek is comfortable for 60 to 80 miles but (IMO) due to its stiffness is more fatuiging (sp?) than the B/A. It really depends on what kind of riding you are doing & where and how long. In addition, I took the B/A on a 500 mile trip thru Alaska with some of the worst roads you can imagine & it performed comfortably the whole time. I changed out the 23 tires for 25's for additional comfort & it worked great.

2.) How much more weight do you intend to lose? The more weight you intend to lose, the longer I would wait to buy my dream bike. As you lose weight your flexibility & comfort on the bike should change.

3.) Remember, as someone else mentioned, wheels, seat, stem length, fit all affect comfort. If both bikes were set up differently, you really can't compare rides well.
For a good article on test rides see the link below.
http://chainreaction.com/roadbiketestrides.htm

4.) With 2 months experience andd your body changing as much as it appears to be, I would recommend that you use one of the sizing sites to determine proper size & buy a used bike (You can get a used B/A for under $800) ride for a year, tinker with fit, figure out what kind of riding you are actually going to do (Touring, racing, fitness rides up to 50 miles w an occasional century, a century a weekend, a Brevet series etc) and then sink your moiney into a bike specific to that type of riding.

Now if money is no object, get the one that speaks to you.

5.) Trek 5200 fits weird. It has a short seat tube relative to the length of the top tube. Consequently you either end up (depending on your body type) with tons of spacers, little standover clearance, a hugh drop to the bars or all or none of the above. Have someone size you that knows what they are doing before you buy the 5200.

Good Luck
Len