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New Frame time...assistance please(15 posts)

New Frame time...assistance pleasePsychler
Dec 10, 2002 11:36 AM
I have a full Ultegra group, Helium wheels, Ouzo Pro fork...Speedplay pedals...Now I need a frame. I am 5'10", 145 lbs, male...usually ride a 56. I WANT light weight! stiff, responsive and comfortable. No racing, fast touring, putting in 30-50 miles at each ride. I had a Dean El Diente frame, great feel, but a tad too heavy. So, whatta think?
And....Psychler
Dec 10, 2002 11:37 AM
Let's keep it around $1200.
With your frame budget, TI is an option.....sierranevada
Dec 10, 2002 12:21 PM
seriously, if you are looking for a keeper, you can pick up a nice titanium frame at that price (especially rbr classifieds or ebay during the winter months!) from someone like, oh I don't know, Litespeed, Lemond, or any other reputable Ti builder. You may have to shop a little, though, for your exact frame size if you are buying used.

Also, you could not go wrong with a Colnago MXL for what your intended use is. I see them on E-Bay for approx $1100 occasionally. Maybe a few ounces heavier than ti, or aluminum with carbon stays, but they get rave reviews.

Finally, GVH Bikes has ton's of frames (Merckx, Cinelli, Landshark, etc.) that fall into your price range. Fun place to look around!

Good Luck~
Okay, how about this......sierranevada
Dec 10, 2002 12:35 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1978577323

(Colnago CT-1 frame and fork on E-Bay with a 'buy-it-now' price of $1450)

You could sell the fork, and be very close to your budget....

Oh how I love to shop with other peoples money.
get a merckx majestic from gvhbigdeal
Dec 10, 2002 1:15 PM
You'll have an exta fork as it comes with a pro, but you can always sell that off to offset the price even more. I'm 5'9" and 165, it's plenty stiff.

Also, colorado cyclist also has them on sale but I got mine from Gary...
Steel?mass_biker
Dec 10, 2002 1:35 PM
Post your email as I think I might have a lead for you who might be selling a steel Italian frame/fork <$1200 for sure

MB
Second thatjtolleson
Dec 10, 2002 2:29 PM
I know you said lightweight, and certainly you can save up to a lb by going aluminum, but why? You aren't racing... you are looking for a stylish comfy rec riding road machine.

I think your description just screams steel. And at the price point you've described, there are lots and lots of nice options from Landshark, Waterford, Guru, Strong, etc. etc. etc.
Here is a lightweight steel frame on saleUprwstsdr
Dec 10, 2002 3:03 PM
http://www14.inetba.com/erapro/item24266.ctlg

Ask for Todd, he's a good guy.
re: New Frame time...assistance pleasedickruthlynn
Dec 10, 2002 2:43 PM
I'm 5'-9'', 145 and in August 02 built up a 53cm Chisallo full DA. Total weight including pedals is 15.3 pounds. Put on 1100 miles so far and love the weight. But a compact frame takes time to fit.
You can't have it allNessism
Dec 10, 2002 2:53 PM
The El Diente is a nice frame and fairly light to begin with (about 3.5 lbs?), I seriously doubt you can find a better frame without making a compromise somewhere. For example, you can get an Al frame which will be lighter, but it will be more fragile. And there is no such thing as stiff and comfortable at the same time, these two characteristics are mutually exclusive.

Good luck.

Ed
No they are not. But there are other tradeoffs.SnowBlind
Dec 10, 2002 4:16 PM
You can have stiff and comfortable, you just pay for it in weight or pay for a carbon fork.
If you use heavier steel tubes you get the stiffness, but it is still comfortable. (Heavier is still under 20lbs)

Oversimplified, vertial complience is comfort, lateral complience is "stiffness". More vertical, less lateral = stiff in sprints and century comfortable. (but not double century)
Besides, a more upright position (level handlebars or higher than saddle handlebars) will feel "comfortable" on most frames. More drag, it's true, but like I said, tradeoffs. Also I find tires make a big difference in bike "comfort". I love GT3000's handling, but Axials are more comfortable.
Tradeoff'sNessism
Dec 10, 2002 9:03 PM
If a frame is built to be stiff in the bottom bracket area it will also have a low level of vertical compliance. Of course "comfortable" is mostly dictated by bike fit but the frame does have a noticable difference also.

Also, heavy steel tubes are going to be stiffer than lighter tubes assuming tube diameter is kept constant. For this reason, low end steel frames are often very stiff and harsh riding.

All this said, I think bike comfort is a function of, in order of importance, rider fit, tires, fork, and lastly frame vertical compliance.
re: New Frame time...assistance pleaseirregardless
Dec 10, 2002 4:05 PM
Unless you go with a Litespeed Ghisallo or Merlin XL or something similar, most titanium frames will weigh three pounds and change. If you really want light weight, you should go carbon. Titanium is worth extra weight in my book, though.
re: New Frame time...assistance pleasegtx
Dec 10, 2002 6:05 PM
if you want to save weight, go AL or carbon. It's only gonna save you maybe a pound, though. Last time you posted I said check out the Titus Drop-U. If you want to spend more, I'd also check out Carl Strong and Sycip, maybe Calfee, too. Merckx is cool, of course, and the new Colnago Dream B-stay looks pretty nice...
re: New Frame time...assistance pleaseDINOSAUR
Dec 11, 2002 7:52 AM
If you want something light and stiff and within your price range it's sounds likes aluminum would be your best bet. You could probably locate an NOS Klein Quantum frame (same frame as the old Quantum Pro before they went to the CF rear wishbone seat stays but with a different fork). I'm sure there are plenty of other choices with al, I'm just more familiar with Klein. I used to lurk on GVH Bike's website and he has a lot of frames in that price range. I bounce back and forth between a steel Colnago and an al Klein and each time I get on the Klein I can't get over how light it is. The Klein is a very smooth riding frame, wish I had the funds to slap a new group and wheelset on mine. Just avoid the '99 models if you can, the paint chips easily...