|Litespeed insane prices…||Bruno S|
Dec 5, 2002 11:42 AM
|I have been looking into Litespeed because of their current 6 months no payments, no interest financing. The mid-level bikes like the Tuscany and the Sienna are about $1000 more than the top level bikes from Specialized, Trek and Giant. All these bikes have almost the same components (Dura-ace, Ksyriums). Because Litespeed is now only selling complete bikes the price of the frames in not known but given the difference with the other manufacturers these frames must be around $2,500. This is the same price as a top level italian frame like Colnago, Pinarello, DeRosa, etc. The Litespeeds are not even painted. If you want paint it's $400! For one color, plain paint. Trek offers all kind of fancy paint jobs for just a little more. Still their financing offer interest me so I will go to a large Litespeed dealer and ask why should I pay more for a Litespeed.|
Dec 5, 2002 11:45 AM
|Specialized, Trek, & Giant don't make ti bikes. you're going to pay more for ti.
nevertheless, i agree, Litespeeds are way over-priced.
|Trek Ti: Go the Lemond route with custom paint. Nice! nm||Spunout|
Dec 6, 2002 4:56 AM
|Priced to market. Don't buy one then! (nm)||Spunout|
Dec 5, 2002 11:58 AM
|Expect a funny answer||Fez|
Dec 5, 2002 12:31 PM
|so I will go to a large Litespeed dealer and ask why should I pay more for a Litespeed.
Let us know what you hear. Other things being equal, most shops will want to sel the brand that is the most lucrative for them. I had a large LS dealer not want to sell me one. He instead wanted to get me on a Serotta or a Seven. I guess the markups are a little better percentage-wise and of course, the bike costs more to boot.
|great deal on ebay||ishmael|
Dec 5, 2002 1:08 PM
|its not for a lightspeed but a custom geometry(of your chossing) ti frame with a lifetime warranty..do a search and you should find it..700 dollars...lightspeed and all the rest of them are over priced for suckers as I see it...get this custom frame and custom paint it and buy all the components for the same price...uhhh! lightspeeds piss me off...a friend of mine wants one, his reasoning is that "its a lightspeed" so its worth it..|
|great deal on ebay||seyboro|
Dec 5, 2002 4:08 PM
|...looks like your friend is the one with some taste. Also, it's spelled 'litespeed'.|
|Just a couple of questions||Kerry|
Dec 5, 2002 4:58 PM
|I don't suppose there could be any difference from one frame to another that would justify a price difference. I'm sure that all steel frames are the same, all CF frames are the same, and all Al frames are the same, so I guess all Ti frames must be the same. No chance that there is some engineering that goes into one frame over another. No chance that the alloy quality means anything, along with tube shape, wall thickness, construction quality, geometry, etc. could have any effect on performance. Anybody who pays more than the lowest possible price is clearly a sucker. All this wisdom from someone who doesn't know how to spell Litespeed and can't capitalize or punctuate a sentence.|
Dec 6, 2002 5:50 AM
|that the seller on ebay doesnt match up in regards to all the points you bring up..does lightspeed have a lifetime warranty?..and about geometry, is lightspeed custom?..they are both tig welded by humans, I doubt lightspeed welders are anything special..you bring up possible differences but dont prove lightspeed is any better on any of them, you just assume they are better...tell me something I dont know..prove to me I'm wrong...till then your a sucker who also assumes I dont know how to spell or write.|
Dec 6, 2002 7:16 AM
|"does lightspeed have a lifetime warranty?"
"is lightspeed custom?"
You can get them custom made although few people need a custom bike.
"they are both tig welded by humans, I doubt lightspeed welders are anything special"
They have more experience in the titanium fabrication industry than any bike mfg out there. I do agree that good welders do not live only in TN and Boston. Or in the U.S. for that matter. However, LS is a well known company that stands behind its product. They're going to be here 10 years from now. Will your fly by night operation selling stuff on e-bay be around? And do they have the proven track record LS has? LS bikes are more than generic ti bikes you see around for a reason. They get that premium because they are an established company with a good reutation.
"till then your a sucker who also assumes I dont know how to spell or write."
When that bargain ti bike of yours breaks in 2-3 years and you can't find the mfg to warranty it, maybe you'll feel like a sucker. And yes, you write with all the skill of a seventh grader. Poor writing makes anyone sound like an idiot.
Dec 6, 2002 10:05 AM
|making fun of my supposedly bad writting skill is petty..
pay all you want...and believe whatever you want...
Dec 5, 2002 4:40 PM
|well, it doesn't even sound like you've decided what frame material is important to you. Comparing Litespeed offerings to Specialized offerings? Just different animals and different price points.
You don't need to buy Litespeed to get a 6 month same as cash financing deal. LOTS of high end bike shops offer them... there just plain old revolving consumer credit accounts with an extended grace period. Just like the kind you get at a lot of furniture stores.
Decide what bike (or bikes) you really WANT first (shopping at the price point that is best for you) and then think about the most affordable way to make your purchase.
I think Litespeed makes a fine, fine bicycle and there are Litespeed deals all the time (frequently through Colorado Cyclist). Overpriced? Not compared to most ti frames. And actually a more affordable lineup than Seven, Serotta, IF, etc.
|I am decided on material...||Bruno S|
Dec 5, 2002 8:02 PM
|either full carbon (Giant or Trek) or C/Ti (Colnago or Litespeed).
Each option has it's pros and cons. Giant & Trek are sold at the LBS just down the street (literally) and offer the best price (~$3500). The Colnago CT1 it's beautiful but to afford it, I would have to buy it in Europe. (Maestro, also ~$3500). Kind of risky if something goes wrong. The Litespeed looks like another good option but I'm struggling with the price (~$4500 MSRP).
|I am decided on material...||pmf1|
Dec 6, 2002 7:01 AM
|Doesn't Maestro sell C-40's as well? Bet you could get a deal on a 2002 since they have added the HP B-Stay in 2003. IMO, this thing is as silly looking as it is ugly.
I bought 2 C-40 frames on a vacation in Italy a few years ago. Had them shipped to the states. No problems fo far.
And BTW, you sound anything but decided on material. As Jtollison says, compare a LS to a Seven Axiom or Serotta Legend and it looks like a bargain. Same with the CT-1 vs. the Seven ti/carbon bike. And its not painted either.
|I am decided on material...||jtolleson|
Dec 6, 2002 10:32 AM
|Well, then compare apples to apples. Ti bikes (or ti/carbon combos) to other ti/carbon combos. Can't compare, for example, a Trek 5200 and a Serotta Otrott, right?
When you were comparing the price of a Tuscany to offerings from Specialized and Giant (who do not offer Ti) I assumed that you hadn't decided what you really wanted.
Plus, NO ONE pays full retail for Litespeed, or at least no one should. Particularly at this time of year. You should be able to find a nicely equipped Tuscany for under $3k.
|I am decided on material...||pmf1|
Dec 6, 2002 1:22 PM
|Agreed. This guy hasn't decided on material. Titanium, carbon, or a blend of the two.
And no one pays full price for a LS bike. I got my Ultimate frame with Look HSC fork for $1600. This is the time of year to get a bargain. Especially on close-out frames.
There are 48 used LS bikes for sale used on this forum's classified section.
|There is no such thing as interest free financing.||Scot_Gore|
Dec 6, 2002 6:36 AM
|Your paying the interest somewhere, most likely it's cooked into some of the higher price you're seeing on the bike. Look at any GM car financing offer, you can get a 0 or low interest rate or @$3000.00 cashback. Another way to say it is your buying free financing for $3000. Litespeed's doing the same thing.
|There is no such thing as interest free financing.||koala|
Dec 6, 2002 7:03 AM
|I cant speak for anyone but Toyota USA, but I work for them and our 0% financing for 36 months has nothing to do with the selling price. Proof is when the financing deal is over, the invoice cost and the price the consumer can purchase the car for is the same, the financing goes away. Its because Toyota has 55 billion in cash and they are simply trying to stimulate sales due to a slow selling market or as a response to competition.|
|I understand MSRP dosn't change, what happens to the cash rebate ? (nm)||Scot_Gore|
Dec 6, 2002 9:38 AM
Dec 6, 2002 10:27 AM
|It is offered by finance companies all the time and they have no control/input over what deal you cut with the LBS/furniture store/whatever.
They are gambling that you'll screw up and have to pay the retroactive 21%. As long as you don't screw up, funders like Norwest bank and CIT, etc. who offer such programs, can be a consumer's best friend.
|re: Litespeed insane prices&#8230;||pmf1|
Dec 6, 2002 6:53 AM
|First, the top level Italian frames are lots more than $2500. Yeah, you can get a deal on a C-40 from some UK mailorder place, but try buying one from a U.S. source and you'll be paying $3600.
Second, LS frames have always been in the $2000-$3000 price range at full msrp. The Ultimate I have listed at $2600 msrp. I bough it on close-out and didn't pay that much.
Third, according to my Colorado Cyclist catalogue there is almost a $1000 price spread in the DA vs. Ultegra LS kits. The extra stuff you get in the DA kit is nowhere worth that price premium (they don't even give you the Ksyriums SSC model wheels). Go with the Ultegra kit and you have a more affordable bike with equal performance.
Fourth, to their credit, there are no in-house components on the bike like Trek, Specialized and every other big mfg specs. I'd guess its only a matter of time until LS figures out this is a great way to make money as well.
Ugly as they are, there are advantages to no paint ... as in no paint chips.
If you are desperate for a LS bike, find a close-out frame and buy it with your credit card. Buy the components later. They're still around, but won't be soon as LS only sells complete bikes now. Try labicicletta.com -- I got a great deal on a frame from them a few years ago. Or buy a used one. If you can save $1000 doing this, doesn't that outweigh credit card interest vs. the free LS offer?