|indulge me in a "what's it worth" question?||DougSloan|
Dec 4, 2002 8:02 AM
|I know these questions are sort of obnoxious, but I figure I haven't met my quota of obnoxiousness lately...
I'm selling my Bianchi EV2.
*2000 Bianchi EV2 (55 cm; 2.1 pounds; non-sloping, Celeste)
*Bianchi (Advanced Composites?) all carbon fork (around 300 grams)
*Mavic Ksyrium wheels, clinchers 2000
*Dura Ace: crankset (172.5, 53/39); cassette; chain; STI levers; brake calipers; front and rear derailleurs; bottom bracket
*USE Alien carbon seatpost
*Selle Italia SLR saddle (relatively new)
*ITM Millenium stem, 115 mm
*Easton EC90 carbon drop bars, 44 c-c
*Chris King headset
*Michelin Pro Race Light tires (black/gray) (good condition)
*Elite Ciussi Bottle Cages stainless steel (x2)
*Campy Record Profit pedals (or Look PP256,if desired)
*SRP titanium and aluminum bolts, where applicable
Very good condition, as I'm a maintenance fanatic; just a few paint nicks, and the cranks are rubbed from the shoe heels. As configured, it's about 15.5 pounds, at least on my scale.
I'll list it here after getting an idea of price. Any idea of price range? Thanks.
|You can't fool us that it's low mileage!||ColnagoFE|
Dec 4, 2002 8:08 AM
|For that reason alone and the fact that this is a lightweight AL frame I'd pretty much write off the frame. The components however are probably worth something still. I'm guessing you'll be lucky to get $1500 for the whole thing, but what do I know.|
Dec 4, 2002 8:13 AM
|I rode this frame pretty much exclusively for about a year, then got the Colnago. Since then, this has been a special event bike only (like climbing in the 508). I'd guess around 10-12k miles on it. I don't know how that measures up for mileage on bike frames, but I wouldn't think it's "used up."|
|may not be used up but getting there||ColnagoFE|
Dec 4, 2002 9:41 AM
|I'd personally not buy a ultra light AL frame with 12k on it though I'm sure someone would. Steel would be another story. How many miles do most people put on a frame like this? I'd think 10k is probably getting close to thinking about replacing it--especially if it was raced and even more so if it was ever crashed. How often do pros recycle these frames? I'd guess once a year and they probably put no more than 10-12k on them.|
Dec 4, 2002 12:33 PM
|...how is Luke doing? My son, Sean, just turned 9 months old. If you feel like it, you can reply to me at: firstname.lastname@example.org|
Dec 5, 2002 7:02 AM
|Luke is pushing 20 pounds at 5 1/2 months now. We took him to Monterey for Thanksgiving, and he had a blast watching the big fish at the acquarium. I didn't think he would even be interested at that age. He's perfectly healthy and growing fast, starting to be fun.
What changes did you see between 5 mos and 9?
Here are some pix, but I haven't been able to upload any recently.
Dec 5, 2002 9:59 AM
|Pushing 20lbs?! Wow...what a big boy. How tall is he? Sean is 29.5" tall and weighs 20.6lbs. |
If he has not started crawling yet, then that is a big milestone. Once they become mobile, you go on defense! The main changes I noticed with Sean was sitting up on his own, crawling, pulling up on things (e.g., coffee table, couch, ottoman, etc.), becoming fascinated with cabinets and drawers (and opening/closing them), becoming much more vocal, lifting his arms up in the air when he wants to be picked-up, crawling to me when I go to pick him up at daycare, outgrowing clothes seemingly quicker than you can blink an eye, coping an attitude when he does not get his way, the list goes on and on; way too much to list here. He really likes to play and uses me as his jungle gym. In the evening, I will get down on the floor to stretch after he has been fed and he just attacks me. As you can see, I think daycare is letting him watch too much WWF as he is trying to apply the baby sleeper hold.
For Thanksgiving, we drove over to Alabama from Georgia (7 hours each way) and he got a chance to meet 70 of his relatives. My wife found out that he travels better than I do (ha ha). The cool thing about the trip was that he crawled on the same wood floors that I did as a kid...sounds a little corny, but I'm a dad now.
|I'm a Bianchi know nothing...||No_sprint|
Dec 4, 2002 8:17 AM
|What kind of tubing is it? What year is the frame? Does Bianchi take some base tubing from Deda or another and then do their own thing to it or do they let Deda give them pretty much end product like T6 Energy or 61.10?
At 10 or 12K I'd say it is definitely not used up.
I've got no idea for price.
|I'm a tubing know nothing||DougSloan|
Dec 4, 2002 8:22 AM
|On "information and belief" the tubing comes from Dedacciai, and it's the aluminum "mega pro light xl" or something like that. Beyond that, I'd be guessing.
It's not nearly as stiff as the C40, and a bit buzzier on rough roads. It is a bit lighter than the C40, too, though. That's the best informed comparison I can make.
|$1100 even. (nm||onespeed|
Dec 4, 2002 8:21 AM
|1/3 of your cost is about right.||MB1|
Dec 4, 2002 8:27 AM
|I'd subtract a little bit for the miles (10-12K is enough wear to say it is pretty used) but your maintenance might negate the wear factor.
OTOH you might just find the right buyer and get 1/2 of your cost out of it.
|35-50% of new....||C-40|
Dec 4, 2002 8:35 AM
|The value of a used bike will depend greatly on the condition and the desirability of the brand & model.
A 1 year old bike in perfect condition might fetch 60% of it's new cost, if the tires, chain, cables and bar tape are brand new, making it ready for another season.
A two year old bike would be unlikely to yield more than 40% of new cost.
Opinions vary on "good condition". Some folks think that a right chainstay that's severely chipped, a top tube with a few healthy scratches and the paint on the head tube worn where the cables rub is "normal". I'd never buy a bike in this condition.
|re: indulge me in a "what's it worth" question?||desmo|
Dec 4, 2002 8:35 AM
|This depends on how much your "time" is worth, but I've found parting a bike out and listing the seperate compontents on ebay will bring a much higher total than selling a whole bike. And you can keep the parts you know you will need for future projects. Again, this only works if you're like me and your time is worth nothing.|
|re: My option...||pa rider|
Dec 4, 2002 8:36 AM
|I read somewhere on ebay about pricing a used bike. The author said he judges a used bike on 60 percent of it's original value.
I would look at the cost for a new bianchi EVO and price in the parts you upgraded (easton hb and ksyrium wheels for example). Based at the cost and determine what 60 percent would calculate. Onespeed may be the ball park of the cost.
Another option would be put you shoes in the other guys perspective. How much would you pay for a 2000 evo model with 10,000 miles on it? That may be 1/3 of the life span for the dur-ace drivetrain, so some depreciate comes into account.
I hit a car 2 years ago with my bianchi veloci (i forgot how to spell the model name so cut me some slack) and the frame was only worth $500 to replace. My bike was $1500 new, so this points out the frames are not that highend as one may expect for the bianchi line.
How do other's on this board determine their prices for ebay aution? Maybe they can give you some feedback.
|although you SHOULD be selling your stuff in RBR classifieds, here are my Ebay tactics:||lonefrontranger|
Dec 4, 2002 9:01 AM
|I'm not good at math and I don't get emotionally attached to either my money or the stuff I auction. I figure if I'm selling it, it means it's reached the end of its useful life for me, and taking a loss is better than having it sit and gather dust.
Also consider that "XXX worth of upgrades" does not necessarily mean "XXX worth" of increase, because a used bike is a used bike. Good photos and thorough, accurate descriptions are worth far more bids than a lot of high-zoot upgrades that may or may not break / wear out quicker under use.
I start the auctions at $1.00 and set my reserve at the absolute minimum I could stand to go through the hassle of packing and shipping the frame. The mere fact of starting the auction with a low bid has, in my experience, generated enough traffic to bring about a bid war that will sell the item for considerably more than my reserve. I do not post or tell anyone what that reserve is, because if it doesn't sell, it doesn't sell, and I will either re-list it or try to sell it elsewhere. I also run the auction for 7 days, to end on Sunday evening because that's statistically when the most Ebay bidding traffic is done. Buyer pays shipping, and always make that clear as well as what that amount is.
I can't stress how important good photos and descriptions are to selling an item whether it's on RBR classifieds, rec.bicycles.marketplace or Ebay. I take a number of good, clear digital photos WITH PROPER LIGHTING!!! It absolutely kills me how many people upload Ebay pics that are so dark, or cluttered that you can't tell what it is they're selling. I compress and size the pics correctly for the web, because no matter how good your monitor is, it will never be higher than 72dpi resolution, therefore it does you absolutely no good to upload humongous 600dpi pictures that are going to take some poor dialup user 10 minutes per picture to see. I don't even open any Ebay auction that doesn't have pictures, because I figure the seller doesn't care enough about their product to bother.
Using this fairly simple process has allowed me to sell 2 bikes and a number of parts for quite a bit more than I thought they'd bring.
|More on ebay||KEN2|
Dec 4, 2002 9:31 AM
|This is all sage advice. I have also sold complete bikes as well as many parts on ebay, following similar precepts (i.e. auction ending on Sunday evening, etc.).
A couple more points: this is not a great time to sell used bikes, because of Christmas (who wants to give a used bike?) and because over half the US is covered in snow, or at least colder weather than most people are going to ride in. Some estimates place the lowered selling prices due to these factors at 20-25%.
My advice would be to wait until at least after the new year, maybe even 'til March, and part it out. It's more hassle but you'll likely get more total $$$ out of it.
|It will be really hard to sell this bike as a whole||Qubeley|
Dec 4, 2002 10:50 AM
|I agree with above post $1000-1200 if you are lucky.
I would say sell the frame/fork for about $300
Dura-Ace cranks/BB for $150
The rest stuff for half of what the retail is. or keep the parts you like.
Of course this is really not much for a great bike, but you are facing a lot of competitions, everybody want to sell their old road bikes right now.
Dec 4, 2002 12:59 PM
|if you're looking for a new ride, then how about unloading just the bianchi frame and fork? you could use the same components to build around a brand new frame and fork.
on the other hand, if you already have a buyer for the bianchi and just want to come up with a fair price, then go for it!
|Santa Doug, I know what I want for Xmas nm||PhatMatt|
Dec 4, 2002 5:13 PM
Dec 4, 2002 9:07 PM
|As a general rule I'd say 50% of new - give or take. In any event, it's a good starting point and you can only get what someone is willing to pay for it. I'm sure it's a sweet ride and will be a good deal for the right owner.|
Dec 5, 2002 6:58 AM
|Thanks, everyone. It seems it might be more lucrative to part it out, but I just don't have the time to do all the ad listings, much less package up and get the things to UPS (the worst part of selling things, IMO). I appreciate the suggestions and info, though.