|How do you people carry extra gear when you ride?||scottfromcali|
Dec 3, 2002 8:30 AM
|I mean a spare tube, tire levers and patch kit, I dont like the idea of having the undersaddle bag. what else is there to do?|
|In your back pockets. More than enough room. (nm)||onespeed|
Dec 3, 2002 8:33 AM
|re: How do you people carry extra gear when you ride?||brider|
Dec 3, 2002 8:35 AM
|Tubes I put in the jersey pockets. Tire levers, multi-tool, chain tool, and medical card go in a bag that fits into one bottle holder (I have 3 on the bike) with an old sock to keep it from rattling around. Pump goes on the frame.|
Dec 3, 2002 9:10 AM
|I cut the top off a waterbottle. For races, I put my junk in the sock, in the waterbottle, in the rack. Sock abates noise and keeps the tools from flopping out.
Thought I was ingenious; guess im not the only one.
|On board||Eager Beagle|
Dec 3, 2002 8:41 AM
|Tube, with levers wrapped inside, and patch kit, up between the saddle rails.
Pump either in the frame (large) on on the bottle cage (mini).
Small saddle wedge if needed. Rest in pockets. Long/wet/cold/ rides - food etc in frame corner bag/camelpack.
Just ordered a waterbottle cage bag from www.probikekit.com for stowing waterproof in, as bulky to carry in pockets etc.
Think of it this way - if you aren't racing, the more you carry, the better the training.
|re: How do you people carry extra gear when you ride?||Donger|
Dec 3, 2002 9:02 AM
|I'm not a fan of saddlebags but out of necessity carry my Crank Bro pump, spare tube, lever, allen keys and phone in a small Pearl Izumi saddlebag (about $14 from Excel Sports). Sounds like a lot, but it's pretty compact and straps down very tight. I use jersey pockets for ID/$, food and jacket/warmers, etc.|
|what's wrong with an undersaddle bag?||ColnagoFE|
Dec 3, 2002 9:04 AM
|I think it's easier to keep the tube, kit and tools in there rather than having to load your pockets each time you ride. For racing I take it off, but for normal riding/training it's just too convenient.|
Dec 3, 2002 9:15 AM
|everytime you park your bike you gotta a) remove it, or b) be prepared to replace it.
I find loading pockets takes far less time then getting dressed in 'bike clothes' just to go for a ride.
|I never take mine off||ColnagoFE|
Dec 3, 2002 9:26 AM
|Never had it stolen either...but then again I rarely leave my good road bike in a high crime area. That's what my beater and cruiser are for...tooling around town and such.|
Dec 3, 2002 9:24 AM
|I have 2 bikes and an undersaddle bag for both of them. One bike needs long valved tubes and I need to keep the stuff separate. All I have to do in jump on my bike with a full water bottle and take off. I stash my co2 and 3 hex wrenches in my jersey pocket and I'm all set. I guess I could carry everything in my jersey pockets but it they would get bulky.
Murphy's Law say's carry more than you need and you'll never need it, but forget something and that's the day you'll need it...
You don't need to carry a large undersaddle bag, but it's nice to have everything you need in one spot. I could get away with carrying 1 tube, 2 tire irons, 1 Park glueless patch kit, a couple of hex wrenches and an inflation system.
A lot of it depends the area in which you ride and the facilites nearby in case something goes wrong..
|Big Carradice seat bag sometimes, ALWAYS a bar bag||retro|
Dec 3, 2002 9:44 AM
|I bought a huge Carradice seat bag from Rivendell a year or two ago--holds a sweater, Sunday paper, shell jacket, spare pair of shoes if I want to carry some to walk in...I don't think I've ever filled it up. That goes on and off as I need it. I also got a Riv "candy bar bag," a small handlebar bag, and that hasn't been off since Day 1. Just the right size for a couple of energy bars, a small camera and maybe a light long-sleeved jersey.
The tools and tubes go in a small seatbag when I'm riding with just the handlebar bag, otherwise in the Carradice.
|first off, forget the tubes.||Steve_0|
Dec 3, 2002 9:13 AM
|unless youre racing, patchkit is much smaller and only slightly slower.
For everyday riding, I stick my patchkit, allenkeys, and pump in my pocket.
|Bold strategy.||Eager Beagle|
Dec 3, 2002 9:16 AM
|I have had tubes split, and the valve stem detatch from the tube. Patch kit useless in those circumstances. Also not that good in the wet in my experience.
Tube - works every time (as long as your pump does) - better to be looking at one than for one.
|Not every time...||Steve_0|
Dec 3, 2002 9:21 AM
|I've been on plenty of rides where people install their fresh tube, just to get another flat in 20 minutes; or worse, to learn they pinched the new tube when installing.
Spare tubes are usless in those conditions.
Guess ya gotta go with what works for you.
|They don't compensate for incompetence||Eager Beagle|
Dec 3, 2002 9:25 AM
|that's for sure.
I am not suggesting that you carry a tube instead of patch kit - see my first post.
You're right, but I can tell you that the 15 miles back in look cleats did not work for me when that valve stem came away...
My view - they weight nearly nothing - shove it under the seat and forget it till you need it, when you will be glad you did. YVMV, but not if you have walked home wishing you had a spare tube:-)
|Not every time...||Rob Sal|
Dec 3, 2002 12:47 PM
|Ideally you want to work out why the first puncture happened before putting in the new tube. Being anal by lining up the tyre logo with the valve when you first put the bike together can assist you find the cause of the puncture. If you are dumb enough to pinch the new tube then you are dumb enough to ride home with the flat tyre.
People will steal your lights, computer, front wheel, bottles or seatpacks just to piss you off rather than for their monetary value in the same way people will snap you metal car ariel, so take them with you (or lock your wheel obviously!)
In answer to the original post, rather than buy a special waterbottle cage pouch thing I just use a wide necked Tacx waterbottle. This has the added bonus of being totally waterproof and has enough space to insert:
3.5,4,5,6,8mm allen keys
suitable screw drivers
glueless patch kit
Finish Line Chain Pup
satchet of chain lube
bendy emergency spoke
APS film canister full of sun block
a couple of moist towlette things you get in KFC
couple of zip ties
and some of the 6x4 AA batteries I take on my double/triple centuries.
spare bulb for front light
Other things I take in my mid size seat pack/jersey pockets are;
Arm and legwarmers
MD player + selection of MDs
lock and chain (so I can pee at service stations with peace of mind!)
Sony radio (attatched to bibshort braces)
Digital camera and table top mini tripod
Keys, cash, credit card
Toe straps for leashing bike to inside of trains when doing 'straight out' rides.
Which leaves just enough space to carry any additional food/drink purchased on the way.
|what happens when you get a hole too big to patch? (nm)||ColnagoFE|
Dec 3, 2002 9:27 AM
|I'll let you know when it happens...||Steve_0|
Dec 3, 2002 9:39 AM
|In 20-some years of serious cycling, Ive never encountered an unpatchable tube. I'm nost sayint they dont happen, but personally, I'm glad I havent been needlessly lugging around tubes for those 20 years.
If i encountered such a massive, once-in-a-lifetime rupture, I'd imagine either the tire or my body would be unusable anyway.
|I'll let you know when it happens...||DINOSAUR|
Dec 3, 2002 10:28 AM
|I think you put it right with "what ever works for you"..
I've thought about just packing a patch kit as I seldom (knock on wood) have the dreaded F thing.
But for me the problem is I can't see the little hole unless I pack my bifocals and it's easier just to replace the tube. And when it's cold and wet the patch sometimes don't stick. But I'm over the edge anyway about what I carry. But like you said...what ever works for you...when I was younger and lived in the S.F. Bay Area I just packed a patch kit and a frame pump and if worse came to worse I could walk to a phone. Where I ride now phones are few and far between and a cel phone won't get you out in some locations.
That being said it's silly to argue and stuff like this and I'm closing out and getting my old dinosaur on my bike and going for a late morning ride..and when I ride I wonder what it's like to work for a living...
|In a big 'ol fanny pack. If it ain't racing it is training.||MB1|
Dec 3, 2002 9:32 AM
|That is of course in addition to the seat pack and pump that is always on each of our bikes. Don't leave home without being prepared to get home again no matter what happens.
Only time I won't have the seatpack and pump on my bike is when I am going to have to park it in a sketchy area (or racing of course-I think the last time I raced was in the last century).
|You guys are funny||53T|
Dec 3, 2002 11:08 AM
|Sketchy area? Stealing you seat pack? Let's look at that scenerio, local criminal is scouting the area looking for something to steal so he can sell it and get some crack, look there's a bike, damn its locked, I'll unstrap this seat bag, how the hell is that thing attached, there it goes, now I can sell this tube, and patch kit for some fast cash. Does this sound plausible to you?
(now) I live in a suburban area with no real crime, but I never have reason to park my bike outdoors where I can't see it.
|for some, a bicycle is transportation.||Steve_0|
Dec 3, 2002 11:22 AM
|my bike is continually being left outside of bars, trains, subways, restarants, supermarkets, Veterens Stadium. Theft is very plausible.
Just because you cant envision someone stealing a seatpack doesnt mean it doesnt happen. and you dont need to be in a 'bad' neighborhood for it to happen...all you need is a 12 year old suburban brat who wants it.
Heck, i've had my puter stolen from the mount; useless without the sensor...but some drunk decided he wanted it.
|Just 'cause I'm paranoid doesn't mean I am wrong.||MB1|
Dec 3, 2002 1:45 PM
|At lunch one day in downtown DC I stopped at a local park. There was a guy selling bike parts out of a bag. Hmmm...I wonder where those parts came from.
Not from my bike if I can prevent it.
|Too much reason||Eager Beagle|
Dec 4, 2002 4:20 AM
|Kids nick stuff because they can. No more logic needed.|
|Agreed, for me.||No_sprint|
Dec 3, 2002 11:44 AM
|If it aint racin', it's trainin'. I've had tiny, entirely impossible to find holes in a tube and I didn't want to waste my last bottle of water finding it. Tubes in my life are good to carry. I've also in the last few years of riding had holes in the tube right at the base of the stem, making them unpatchable.
The seat rail bag only comes off for races or circuit training where the car is never more than .9 miles away.
|re: How do you people carry extra gear when you ride?||fbg111|
Dec 3, 2002 11:00 AM
|Seat bag + 3 pockets in my PI Kodiak Barrier Jacket. I'm getting an Ultimate Direction Tailwind water/gear pak for Xmas to carry more stuff on longer rides.|
Dec 3, 2002 11:16 AM
|In my Camelback M.U.L.E. I carry:
- extra tube
- patch kit
- tool kit
- rain jacket
- car keys
- extra pair of contact lenses
- thin pair of arm warmers
- money and/or wallet
Works great. Also, if you have more than one bike, you don't have to hassle with remembering if you have everything. Grab the Camelback and go.
|Call me anal, I don't like the way the seat pack looks..||Juanmoretime|
Dec 3, 2002 12:09 PM
|on the bike. So everything goes into a zip lock sandwich bag that I keep a couple of rubber bands around. Then it goes into the jersey pocket. What's in the bag? 1 spare tube, patch kit, two tire irons, #20 bill, a 4, 5, 6mm hex keys, small CO2 inflater and 3 CO2 cartridges. I'll usually take my cell phone too.|
|in this weather...||lonefrontranger|
Dec 3, 2002 12:27 PM
|For a normal 4 hour base winter training ride, the conditions in Colorado can go from 60 and sunny to 30 and snowing. Here's what I carry:
Small seat bag: tube, CO2 inflator, 1 tire lever, 2 cartridges. We use really tiny seat bags that sit right under/between the saddle rails so they don't bounce / rub on our legs (annoying)
Jersey pockets: 1 or 2 energy bars + a couple gels, cell phone, additional spare tube + patch kit and another couple cartridges (never have any luck with mini pumps). Depending on whether or not I've brought my small Camelbak, I may have a spare bottle as well. Depending on how warm or cold it is (i.e. whether or not I'm wearing said items) the tally in my pockets can also include: arm and/or leg warmers, varying weights of gloves, shoe covers, balaclava, ear band, cycling cap, wind vest.
Stuffed under the back of my jersey: winter vest, wind vest, LS jersey and/or windshell jacket. Often the case when we start out at 9AM in 20 degrees and finish at 2PM in 65, or in the summer when going up to 10,000' where storms can quickly sweep in and snow or sleet on you even tho you started out on an 80 degree day.
Experienced cyclists riding in the mountains often look as though they are carrying small children stuffed up the backs of their jerseys. When it warms up and the sun comes out, you gotta shed the layers or you'll die; the sun is that intense at high altitude.
|re: In a Camelbak||jrm|
Dec 3, 2002 12:40 PM
|you have room for everything and then some.|
|re: How do you people carry extra gear when you ride?||daniel_2001|
Dec 3, 2002 12:52 PM
|I have a bag that attaches to the seat rails, and to the seatpost. I carry a folding tire, three steel levers, three tubes, three hex wrenches and a var tool that helps me to install the tire. It better to have a little more weight and avoid a big WAIT.|
|Question for all who said "except when racing"||vindicator|
Dec 3, 2002 3:52 PM
|So what DO you carry on a road race? Not a crit, where I can understand just carrying nothing, but a 30-60-100 mile road race. I've never done one, but would like to do some next year. My assumption is that if I flat 18 miles into a 35 mile race, I need a way to get home (and thus a pump and tube or patch kit) even if I'm out of the race at that point. Or are there always support vehicles to pick one up (and one's bike)?
I'd be tempted to leave my frame pump on and leave my small under saddle bag on with the tube, levers, patch kit, multi-tool, and cell phone.
Thanks for your thoughts,
|I no longer carry my car key.||PseuZQ|
Dec 3, 2002 5:36 PM
|I carry a tube (or two if it's a long ride), a tool, an extra contact lens (and one of those little plastic eyedrop vials) and a patch kit all in my seat bag.
I used to keep my car key in my seat bag too but sometimes I forgot to zip up the outside pocket (where I also kept cash for drinks and snax). Once descending I heard a clinking noise and decided I should stop -- turned out my key bounced out. Had to *walk* a hunderd yards back up the hill, and luckily found my key. Now I use an undercar hide-a-key. (Plus, I figure if I ever get stranded and have to have someone fetch my car, they can.)
Bars, gels, a vest, speedplay cleat covers, cell phone and arm/leg warmers can all go in my jersey pockets.
Dec 4, 2002 6:11 AM
|typically when i ride, i prefer to carry my tools, minipump, and patchkit (dont like carrying tubes) in my pocket.
when i'm racing, i keep tubes under the seat (time matters in a race), framepump (again, time), and my tools in a waterbottle (no pockets in a race).
Dec 4, 2002 7:18 AM
|Are you talking about MTB raceing? In any road race I've been in, if you flat and get a wheel you have to chase forever and maybe you might catch the pack if they are sleeping. If you have to fix a flat there is absolutly no chance of catching anyone.|
Dec 4, 2002 7:26 AM
|tris. no packs. no support. Unless youre really slow at fixing flats, you can maintain position in some of the longer events, or at least make up a descent portion of the time lost.
guess i shouldve qualified that.
|Question for all who said "except when racing"||brider|
Dec 4, 2002 6:41 AM
|In road races (at least in the Washington/Oregon areas) we have follow cars with spare wheels, usually put in by the racers themselves. If enough people put wheels in, they'll declare it neutral support, meaning that no matter who you are, you'll get a wheel if you flat (otherwise they'll declare it "wheels-in-wheels-out", meaning you only get your own wheels). It's rare that you'd get two flats (though it has happened), so even if you get dropped, the chances of flatting again are slim. And even if you did, unless you're the last pack running for the day, there would be another support car following another pack.|| |