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Your opion Wilier Alpe D'huez vs.Pinarello Prince/Marvel(5 posts)

Your opion Wilier Alpe D'huez vs.Pinarello Prince/MarvelOZ1
Dec 2, 2002 9:02 AM
Will I feel any difference in performance?
What do you on Wilier company? warranty?
quality?
re: Your opion Wilier Alpe D'huez vs.Pinarello Prince/MarvelThe Human G-Nome
Dec 2, 2002 10:13 AM
i forget which company now, but someone stopped carrying Wiliers secondary to breakage so that may be something to consider. the Prince is an awesome machine but hopelessly overpriced.

can i recommend a Ciocc? same bike, same craftsmanship, half the price.

http://www.maestro-uk.com
re: Your opion Wilier Alpe D'huez vs.Pinarello Prince/MarvelOZ1
Dec 2, 2002 11:12 AM
Can you give us please more information?
Do you mean the Challenger's model?
I think it has wheelsbase longer than Pinarello Prince
am I right. I can't find the homepage of CIOCC?
re: Your opion Wilier Alpe D'huez vs.Pinarello Prince/MarvelThe Human G-Nome
Dec 2, 2002 3:51 PM
Ciocc doesn't have a homepage that's currently updated. generally, their top tubes will be a cm longer. Ciocc are most similar to DeRosas. they're painted at the same shop and some of their builders build both. you'll notice a lot of similarities between the 2 if you do some research (except for the price). apparently, there is a lot of price gauging going on with lots of the italian frames and the markups for U.S. buyers are tremendous. Ciocc is what Mike at Maestro-UK calls a "freemarket bike". in his opinion, it's every bit the bike that either a De Rosa or Pinarello is, but for half the price. there are a few write-ups in roadbikereview, but not many. hopefully, once mine has arrived, i'll have another one for you.
re: Your opion Wilier Alpe D'huez vs.Pinarello Prince/Marvelgeeker
Dec 2, 2002 5:38 PM
"apparently, there is a lot of price gouging going on with lots of the italian frames and the markups for U.S. buyers are tremendous"

That's for sure! I looked at the maestro-uk site, and the prices seem shockingly low to an American. For example, the CIOCC 7005 aluminum frame, which is much lower-end than anything maestro-uk shows, retails Stateside for around USD 950. And CIOCC's US importer is supposed to be one of the most reasonable. CIOCCs are cheaper than De Rosa, whose 7005 alloy frame goes for around $1150. Not sure about Pinarello; their lower-end frames (Surprise, Galileo) seem about the same as CIOCCs. But I suppose it's supply and demand...