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How much toe overlap do y'all tolerate???(10 posts)

How much toe overlap do y'all tolerate???Swat Dawg
Dec 1, 2002 9:35 PM
I have a 2001 56 cm Trek 2300. I run a pretty short stem at 90 cm, and my seat is all the way forward on the rails. Now the problem I am having is I think I have pretty severe toe overlap. My Cranks are 172.5 mm and I wear size 46 euro (12 US) shoes, and at the worst point I have about 1 inch or a little more overlap. This seems like it is pretty bad, and I don't dare trackstand, though I can (practiced trials riding for awhile), for fear that I will surely rotate the wheel for balance and throw myself to the ground. So the questions are, (1) how much overlap is normal? (2) If my overlap is too much, what are some methods to alleviate the problem? And, (3) how does everybody else avoid this problem? Looking at pictures and stuff, it seems like other people should have this problem, but the geometry or something of their bike makes this a non-issue. If some people out their can give me some help I would really appreciate it.


Swat Dawg
I've never checked, and never will ;-) I'm a 46 too. (nm)Spunout
Dec 2, 2002 4:53 AM
46 (12)53T
Dec 2, 2002 5:53 AM
If you have size 12 dogs, you will always have some toe overlap, unless you get a really relaxed touring geometry. I never trackstand, or even try, so I don't worry about it.

Worry about why your seat is all the way forward. Where is your knee relative to the pedal. KOPS? Behind KOPS? In front of KOPS? Is the Trek's TT too long for you?

Since you have noticed some overlap (1" is not a lot) you may want to scrutinize your cleat position on your shoe. Is it too far back on the sole? I like mine adjusted so that the pedal spindle is right below the ball of my foot.
re: How much toe overlap do y'all tolerate???jtolleson
Dec 2, 2002 8:03 AM
Regs to the board know that I've had my own toe overlap problem, though it was due mostly to bike geometry not foot size (I'm a 42 EUR). Too much of it call really stink because you are hitting a lot more often (and a lot farther down the foot) than the typical slow-speed-sharp-turn toe overlap scenario.

It doesn't help much if you aren't getting a new bike, but I'm getting a custom frame with a change in both head tube angle and fork rake (which will collectively gain me over 1 cm) and am dropping one crank arm length to 170s. None of those may be good options for you.

You could look at a different fork, but changing fork rake without a corresponding change in head tube angle may reduce trail and make your steering more twitchy. You can double check your cleat position on your shoe, but that's not something you'd probably want to change.

I guess with a 9 stem and your saddle all the way forward, you already sound like you have a bike fit issue. IF you are in the position to shop, any vendor with a Serotta SizeCycle can run the numbers and see about how a bike could be built for you with no overlap.
Rode w/major overlap for years and never touched oncecory
Dec 2, 2002 8:41 AM
My all-time favorite road bike was a Motobecane, long since crashed, on which I did my first century and a lot of other stuff. It had major overlap, which didn't concern me at first because I didn't know enough to be worried. Once somebody pointed it out I fretted about it, but I rode the bike for at least 10 years, I don't know how many thousands of miles, and never touched toe to wheel even once. You rarely turn the front wheel more than a few degrees anyway.
On my first real road bike...brider
Dec 2, 2002 9:31 AM
I had some toe CLIP overlap (yup, it was THAT long ago). Only happened once. I learned to avoid situations where toe overlap could be a problem. Track stands should be done with the back of the front wheel on the side AWAY from the forward foot.
Dec 2, 2002 10:18 AM
I have never turned the wheel far enough to risk an overlap problem. When track standing, you turn the wheel the opposite of the forward foot, anyway. You'd never have a problem while moving, for it you turned the wheel that far while pedaling, you are likely going to crash.

Mountain biking is different, as you need to work that front wheel while pedaling at times to maintain balance or negotiate a rock or something. No such need on a road bike.
Is your frame is too big for you?ColnagoFE
Dec 2, 2002 10:45 AM
If you're railed all the way forward and are still using a 90 stem that TT sounds a bit long. I dont think overlap is that big of a deal. I had some on my 60cm Merlin, but have none on my current Colnago. The only time I'd notice it was in super slow turns...not trackstanding.
re: How much toe overlap do y'all tolerate???Starliner
Dec 2, 2002 11:03 AM
I wear 48's, have a 110 stem and 40mm fork rake. The only time I ever think of toe overlap is when somebody else brings up the subject - in other words, it's never an issue with me.

Track standing, to me, is one of the most irrelevant skills an average roadie can learn.
I wear a 41.5 and have about 1.5 inchesKristin
Dec 2, 2002 11:18 AM
It hasn't been a problem. My toe does bump the tire when I'm circling at a light...but I've practiced letting my toe and and am comfortable now.

I don't trackstand, but I've watched people do it and typically the back of the front tire is pointing to the side of the bike where you pedal is at 3 o'clock (back). If you have to swivel the tire 180 degrees so that it clips your toe on the other side, then--I'm afraid to say--you've more than lost your balance and you're gonna go down anyway.