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airlines fees and baggagegidget
Nov 30, 2002 4:15 PM
I felt the need to bore someone with this... I just got off the phone with airfrance. i spoke with 2 people about my cycle, which, is considered an allowed check in bag. I bought a trico iron case before having spoken with airfrance. This is where the happiness ends.

since the total of the measurements of the case is more than 62", the excess size fee is $110. The excess excess size fee is for bags between 63" and 80", + $110. since the case's measurements total 88", there is an excess excess excess size fee of $110. total $330... each way. What am I the one stuck paying for the gas for this flight?!!

anyone have recommendations? The only think I can think of is to drop the money on me and not the airline. any shop recommendations in barcelona or on mallorca? anyone want to buy a useless (to me) trico iron case?
can you ship it??PaulCL
Nov 30, 2002 4:20 PM
Via UPS or DHL ???? A lot cheaper

If you decide to take it along, try a few tricks...

1. I had 3 or 4 bumper stickers made up that say "fragile:conference material enclosed" with those stickers on hte box (in bright red on white), I've never paid.
2. check the box not at the gate, but at the curb. A well placed $20 will make most baggage handlers look the other way

$330 each way is ridiculous. I would call them again and ask for a manager. Remember one caveat: if you 'sneak' the bike box onboard using one of the above methods and the bike is damaged, you may not be covered. Just a few thoughts.

Good luck. Paul
Good ideasPODIUMBOUNDdotCA
Nov 30, 2002 5:33 PM
$330 is outrageous. The most I've paid is $110 Canadian each way... but thats intercontinental. Try calling back again and sounding irritated while staying polite.

Paul has some great ideas too though. Ask if conference material or bike parts are charged the same way (in different phone calls of course). Then finally if your bike gets damaged though sneaking it on shouldn't affect anything though... what was in your suitcase was damaged.. it doesn't matter what it is.

Just for the sake of simplicity I wouldn't ship my bike EVER just because it 1) takes longer and 2) it take longer and 3) I like having my bike with me... but thats me.

Nick
PodiumBound.ca
No curb check?teoteoteo
Nov 30, 2002 5:47 PM
Just a follow-up I don't believe that you can check at the curb anymore and NEVER try to decieve them about the contents post 9-11. A box that big is going to draw some serious scrutiny. In Houston I had to pull to the side and open my bike box before I was even allowed to park near the terminal. No less than three times I was asked about the contents BEFORE I reached the check-in. Not trying to be negative Nancy--just want you to have a solid plan or look to carrier with a fixed bike fee.
re: My Air France nightmare turned good.teoteoteo
Nov 30, 2002 5:40 PM
In the last 2 years things have really changed with Airlines. Not only the 9-11 security aspect but the profit side as well. I have been across the pond a few times and one time in 2001 it was with Air France.

I went to the tour with my best friend and at DFW (Dallas) they tried to charge us both $400 each way for our bikes. Now Air France is operated in the U.S. by Delta which was part of the problem in may case. All the employee's scratched their heads measured our bikes, weighed them and came up the crazy fee. I expected $50-150 but $400. After a 20 minute discussion I was lucky enough to get the ONLY Air France employee working--he was French and laughed at the Delta employees telling them my bike flew free.

The last trip I paid 150 in Houston and coming back no charge. I was flying Continental. I use a case from crate works. The airlines though are so well trained that they know bike cases very well and they know the fees. With the current state of affairs the bike fees are profit for them. Hell even free liquor is gone for international....
Is this an overseas flight?Kerry
Nov 30, 2002 7:03 PM
From the US, bikes fly free overseas (at least on United, Northwest, Delta, Luftansa, etc.). Another "verbal trick" is "sports equipment for display." You do want people to look at your bike, don't you?
New Rulesteoteoteo
Nov 30, 2002 7:47 PM
When did you fly Kerry? I think all of those guys have changed. Baggage=revenue, something all of the airlines need these days.


http://www.united.com/page/article/0,1360,1034,00.html

International Free Luggage Allowance

Checked Luggage
Northwest will accept a total of two pieces of checked luggage for coach passengers and three pieces for World Business Class passengers, subject to the same maximum weight limitation as stated for domestic travel, which is 70 pounds (32 kgs) per piece and not more than 62 linear inches (158 cm) per piece. Note: This is a NW only policy for passengers originating in the U.S. and Canada

Delta international (same as Northwest)

Size
Items over size limits will be charged an excess baggage fee.
Items over 80" will not be accepted.
Items cannot exceed 62" (length + height + width) limits.

Excess Size
Number of Bags Fee Paid at Check-In
Any item over 62 inches
(not to exceed 80 inches) $80 each

Lufthansa is the same 62 inches story except you have to book extra luggage AHEAD of time

http://cms.lufthansa.com/us/fly/en/pas/0,3279,0-0-453344,00.html
Air France either changed its rules or . . .Look381i
Nov 30, 2002 7:30 PM
its reps can't get the rules straight. Before I flew to Paris this past summer, I checked with Air France: no charge for bike case, as long as it was either my only or my second bag. Size was immaterial. My bag was comparable to a Trico and weighed about 60 pounds with all the crap I stuffed into it.

I ended up going United, which had the same rule. No problem, no upcharge.
Nothing on QFflybyvine
Nov 30, 2002 11:27 PM
Flew twice in the last month with Qantas from Singapore to Perth return & no thought of a charge even with it being 24kgs on a 20kg Economy allowance. One bike store here (Singapore) commented that Sports Equipment flew free (in this region at least).
us airishmael
Dec 1, 2002 3:13 PM
I called them half a year ago when I was in a similar situation..they told me that even though I could get my bike down to their required dimensions, its still a bike and they charge for that...rediculous.
British Airwaysms
Dec 1, 2002 5:06 PM
My bike went free in July 2002 on British Airways from Baltimore-Washington International to Geneva and back. The most I ever have paid on a domestic flight in the US is $80.00 on Northwest. Thanks for your post. I was thinking of flying on Air France for the 2003 Tour. If I have to pay $300+ each way for my bike, I may consider another airline.
None of the standard dodges ever worked for mepmf1
Dec 2, 2002 5:20 AM
Its been over 2 years since I travelled with my bike overseas. At that time, it was free as long as it was one of your two pieces of checked luggage.

In the U.S., its always been a big fee for bikes, even though I see skis and golf clubs travelling free all the time. I've typically paid $50-$75 each way. Here are some tricks I've tried that have never worked:

1. Say its conference materials: Me -- "Yes and these two cases contain conference materials". Ticket Agent -- "Great, then here's a reciept so your company can reimburse you"

2. Check them outside and tip the guy real well: Wouldn't fit on the chute, so a skycap rolled them to the counter.

3. If they arrive on the luggage chute, complain that you payed for special handling and didn't get it and are therefore entitled to a refund: Problem -- they have never arrived on the chute; someone always carts them out.

I did get away once by paying $75 on the way out and then claiming I'd already paid on the way back. The ticket agent seemed flustered and let me off. Maybe this is worth a try.

Even if it does cost $150 -- you'd end up paying this (or close to it) for some gross rental POS bike anyway. If your on vacation (esp somewhere like Europe), its not that much to pay to be able to ride your bike.
S&S couplersblissak
Dec 2, 2002 6:44 AM
This thread is painful to read, but reminds me what a joy it is to have S&S couplers on my IF Crown Jewel.