|MtB riders make the best roadies!||JD88|
Nov 28, 2002 1:22 PM
|I have spent the last 4 yrs riding div1 cross country and have recently made the transition to road racing. I have been riding div1 in one of the strongest comps in my state and have not lost a race yet, most times I'm winning by quite comfortable margins. I never expected to be tasting this sort of success so soon. One thing I've noticed is that my hill climbing skills are far superior to most of the peleton and it is here that I am winning most of my races. I know this post is going to infuriate most of you traditionalists out there but it seems to me that most of the guys I know who have made the trasition from MtB xcountry are excelling as roadies. Look at Cadel Evans for instance what a move it has been for him!|
Nov 28, 2002 1:49 PM
|Anyone out there know the recipe for Fig Jam??? - hold it - I could just ask you mate - you're a legend. I'm off to get a MTB before I come up against you. Clown.|
Nov 28, 2002 2:29 PM
|people who can pedal their bikes fast are generally good at pedalling their bikes fast.|
Nov 29, 2002 10:16 AM
|...and don't ask me where I read this, someone with a lot of time and extra money researched pedalling efficiency in different cycling disciplines. The results they came up with where somewhat surprising, in that you would think track racers would get the nod here. Not so, as they were outdone by mountain bikers and beat the pure roadies still. I believe, it had something to do with maintaining traction. Just a little fuel for the fire, albeit not made up...|
|it might be the turkey talking...||merckx56|
Nov 28, 2002 5:24 PM
|but you're full of shite! Come on to the states and jump into a pro, 1, 2 race that's hilly and over 100 miles. I'm betting that your squirrely mtb riding ass get shot out the back in the first two hours. If I remember correctly, didn't Cadel Evans explode in a shower of sparks on the last days of the Giro? Get some road miles and a few 5 to 6 hour races under your belt, then talk trash! Winning in a small race is not winning a big race in the US or Europe. Keep your self-agrandizing to yourself.|
|damn man... alot of mountain bikers must kick your ass||benja15|
Nov 28, 2002 6:20 PM
Nov 29, 2002 6:24 AM
|they've discovered that you have to ride a straight line to be on a road ride. Any ride more than about two hours and the vast majority of the mountain bikers around here are worried about how to get home! I find it truly ironic that most pro MTB guys train on the road and only ride in the woods to maintain technical skill! Take your fat tires, your dirty bong water and hairy legs and get bent! I'm glad some MTB folks don't believe in road bikes. That way I don't have to worry about getting taken out by some sketch with no paceline skills or fitness!|
|Fast is fast.||JS|
Nov 29, 2002 1:26 PM
|Anybody with some upper level racing experience knows that bike racing is bike racing. Some of the nuances are different but as other have posted if you can pedal your bike fast it really doesn't matter if it's dirt or pavement. I will say that the original poster needs to race in an area that has a deep talent pool, California, Colorado or anywhere in Western Europe. I believe getting his ass handed to him will give him some humility.|
|Fast is fast.||merckx56|
Nov 29, 2002 4:50 PM
|you are absolutely correct. The point I was trying to make was the difference between being fast for two hours and being fast for 5 hours is a big one.|
|not as big as you'd think||cyclopathic|
Nov 30, 2002 6:06 PM
|though most mtbers lack endurance to ride long (don't forget their races last only 2-2.5hr), it is much easier to build it up for road then for MTBing. If not convinced try to ride 50-80 easy fireroad miles on mtb or better cross bike, you'll see what I mean|
|not as big as you'd think||JFST|
Dec 1, 2002 3:34 AM
|Theres a big difference between the two. Saying a mountain biker doesn't have endurance to ride long because their races last less isn't exactly correct. The races last less because of the type of terrain that is ridden causes the rider to get fatigued MUCH faster than riding on road. It is generally easier to ride 50 miles on road than 15-20 off road. They are two completely different worlds.|
|how 'bot enduro?||cyclopathic|
Dec 1, 2002 9:08 AM
|there're enduro MTB events aka 40-50mi, 100mi; 6hr, 12hr and 24hr loop races. Most mnt bikers don't do them and when they do they get in trouble after 3-4hr.
To build endurance (ability to resist fatigue) you need to ride long, and most mnt bikers don't do long sustained 6-10hr rides, because they don't need it for 2hr races.
Nov 29, 2002 9:25 PM
|lighten up man. How about Tom Danielson. From an ok pro mtb to one of the best domestic climbers on the road all in one season.|
|damn man... alot of mountain bikers must kick your ass||benja15|
Nov 28, 2002 6:23 PM
|roadies make the best MTB riders too.||weiwentg|
Nov 28, 2002 5:47 PM
|I got 3rd in my first XC race. I smoked everyone on the hills (actually, on the flats, also). take that, troll!!|
|i agree, people who pedal fast- pedal fast||benja15|
Nov 28, 2002 6:22 PM
Nov 28, 2002 9:06 PM
|None of it was true, who would actually blown their own horn that much? It was just written to see how many agro responses it would ilicit. Not as many bit as I thought would though, oh well. Lets see the quality of abuse I recieve now! Special mention must be made of deHonc's response, that was a gem!|
Nov 28, 2002 9:11 PM
|JD88 - Damn it - I always take the bait!|
|I Knew This Would Get Ugly!||BigLeadOutGuy|
Nov 29, 2002 7:11 AM
good one JD. I read the post and I was like "wow, this persons got some set of nuts!"
I thought of all the flames that were to come so i clicked out of the board to avoid all schrapnel.
Made me laugh!
|bicycling.com called... They want their troll back (nm)||Frith|
Nov 29, 2002 7:20 AM
|Look at the cross overs||sctri|
Nov 29, 2002 7:44 PM
|lance would tool cadel on the road, just like lance was not too impressive on the dirt.
they are differnt disciplens...
Differnt training systems...
Stratagies... etc etc etc
nice try tho.. nothing like blatent self promotion on a message board, why to go cool guy
|Not a big suprise||PODIUMBOUNDdotCA|
Nov 30, 2002 1:48 PM
|1) To be a good mountain biker you have to have an excellent aerobic base (VO2 max).
2) You have an excellent power to weight ratio since mountain bike climbs are for the most parter steeper (but shorter) than road climbs.
3) For the shorter climbs you have the power. So if you win in sprints... no big suprise. Mountain bikers have big legs.
4) Because mountain biking your riding on uneven surfaces your spin may be better since you have to power through rough surfaces without losing traction.
Continue the good work!
|Let's define what we mean here||Breakfast|
Dec 1, 2002 5:24 PM
|If you wish to compare then let's make the distinction between what is a paced event and what is not. A road race is typically a paced event where riders can use the aerodynamic benefits of drafting, an individual road time trial is unpaced and the rider's efforts are of a solo nature and the rider is battling all of the elements on the course by himself.
A mountain bike race is basically an uphill time trial for the racer as he rarely benefits from team or individual strategies of drafting or of working in lead or chase groups. A five hour road race where the winner is the one who was helped to victory by the superior tactics of having others work for him plus the winner's own talents of attacking or sprinting at key moments are quite different than a two hour effort of a winning mountain bike racer. The mountain bike effort is more closely related to an individual time trial and is different than the road events.
Also, in mountain bike racing, keeping pressure on the pedals and keeping the wattage up on sections that are either downhill or are bumpy or technical is unlike the road where constant pedaling and pressure is more easily accomplished.
Two different disciplines and no clear answer as to which is harder or produces better and faster riders. Neither can one cross over and instantly adapt to the rigors of the other type of racing.
Dec 2, 2002 11:01 AM
|Might as well toss all modesty aside and toss out your name and the name of your state. Hey, a fact is a fact right and it's all on record, right? |
Fact of the matter is that while most XC MTB riders have good bike handling skills and endurance, but unless they train on the road they absolutely suck at the strategy of road racing and riding in a pack. They typically take an early lead, get devoured by the peloton at some point, blow up and then spit out the back. Now you might be truly gifted or you could be competing in a state full of retards who haven't recognized that you need to be dealt with appropriately - anything is possible. There are enough people that compete in both venues to know the unique aspects of both. Heck most XC racers are total pussies when it comes to hard core riding - they're always looking for their granny gear and think that two hours is a long race.
I'd say this is total troll material and there's no way you're going to supply any data to back up anything you've said.
|apples and apples? (Div 1 vs. Cat 5?)||trekkie1|
Dec 2, 2002 11:17 AM
|I assume you are cleaning up in Cat 1 road races? Otherwise, you are comparing your Div 1 (Expert?) experience with beginner (Cat 5?) racers. Not a fair comparison, any more than it would be for a Cat 1 road racer to brag about winning a Beginner class mtb race. What Cat level you riding at?|
|apples and apples? (Div 1 vs. Cat 5?)||JD88|
Dec 2, 2002 2:49 PM
|Actually here in Australia Cat 1 is defined as A Grade Elite. If you read my earlier post entitled "Heh Heh" you'll realise that my post was all a load of hogwash designed to inspire some heated response, which it has and I have thourghly enjoyed reading all the differing view points.|
|good job, then||trekkie1|
Dec 2, 2002 3:00 PM
|Nothing more entertaining than some heated, meaningless discussion, right mate?|| |