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De Rosa vs. Ciocc(13 posts)

De Rosa vs. CioccThe Human G-Nome
Nov 28, 2002 9:33 AM
from Maestro-UK:

"So Ciocc, well the quality is the same, they are painted in the same place as De Rosa, and it is indeed possible that he may make some of the De Rosa frames for Cristiano, as they are identical in many ways..."

it's also interesting to note that Mike has told me that his relationship with DeRosa may be coming to an end. i won't get into the gory details, but it has something to do with euro anti-competition laws.
re: De Rosa vs. CioccSmoothie
Nov 29, 2002 8:01 AM
Excellent! Seems like you are zero'ing in on your bike choice! So it looks like you are going for the Ciocc with U2 and full carbon rear triangle? Record 10 and AmClassic's right? :) Enjoy the ride and get some pics and a ride report posted when you get it built up!

Sad news to hear about Mike dropping DeRosa, he is a great dealer for high-end frames and DeRosa will be losing a wonderful dealer.
re: De Rosa vs. CioccThe Human G-Nome
Nov 29, 2002 10:09 AM
you're pretty close. i'm forgoing the U2 and going with the Ciocc Deda 107 Slide with full carbon rear triangle (per Mike's suggestion), Chorus/Record mix and Eurus. the Slide and the Planet are the same price, but the Ciocc has won me over. you better believe that once this thing arrives, there will be LOTS of pics and a ride report. it will be a few months though.
re: De Rosa vs. CioccCrazyMan
Nov 29, 2002 11:43 AM
Funny that you are choosing the full carbon rear end. I spoke to Mike and he suggested that there is no real advantage in stiffness, weight, or comfort of the carbon. Just wondering why you are making this choice, as I am looking at the same bike. Great decision to go Ciocc, though!
re: De Rosa vs. CioccThe Human G-Nome
Nov 29, 2002 12:14 PM
well, it's good to have someone to compare notes with. different people have told me different things. i'm choosing the V107 over the U2 because it's stiffer, which is an advantage for climbing of course. as far as the full carbon rear end vs. just the seatstays... it could be true: there may be no advantage. at the same time, i can't really see where it hurts either. the bike calls for a 32.4 mm seat post and the only choice given is the $150 carbon Deda black stick. i know that totalcycling.com sells a 32.4 Record for about $100, but then if you consider shipping (~$23), you're not really saving much. for me, it never hurts to have more carbon i suppose. anyway, keep me updated on your purchase! i'm looking forward to a very sweet ride.
re: De Rosa vs. CioccThe Human G-Nome
Nov 29, 2002 12:29 PM
i also just noticed that the difference in price between the two is 130 pounds. nothing to sneeze at. i hadn't noticed that they just updated their website today. the Slide with just the seatstays is made with SC61.10 while the one with the full carbon rear end is made with V107. honestly, i'm not sure which direction i'll go right now.
re: De Rosa vs. CioccSpunout
Nov 29, 2002 1:04 PM
What about weight limit, durabity, and frame warranty issues with those different tubes?

Just wondering! I liked the ProRace in steel though. Even that bike comes with a carbon rear end(I wouldn't do it though)!
re: De Rosa vs. CioccThe Human G-Nome
Nov 29, 2002 1:17 PM
the U2 certainly has issues with weight limit as well as durability. even though i'm sub 150lb, i'm going to pass. the SC61.10 has held up well from all accounts and the 107 has gotten high marks. warranty? that's a good question.
re: De Rosa vs. CioccThe Human G-Nome
Nov 29, 2002 1:14 PM
i also just noticed that the difference in price between the two is 130 pounds. nothing to sneeze at. i hadn't noticed that they just updated their website today. the Slide with just the seatstays is made with SC61.10 while the one with the full carbon rear end is made with V107. honestly, i'm not sure which direction i'll go right now.
re: De Rosa vs. CioccCrazyMan
Nov 29, 2002 9:56 PM
Well, some issues...
-The warranty is two years
-There are actually three bike options: Two with V107 (one with seatstays only, one with full carbon rear), and one with Sc6110 and carbon seatstays.

Another concern is that the fork that comes with these bikes is the heavier Deda Black Blades, rather than the Black Magic that comes with the U2, Ti, and carbon bike. I worry about this fork...it is cheap ( $169 at cbike) and I worry about stiffness and feel, as I've heard little about this fork.

I'm also looking at Mike's custom line...XLR8R tubing with Columbus Muscle full carbon rear and fork...custom geometry, I believe, as well...and built for him by Ciocc.
re: De Rosa vs. CioccThe Human G-Nome
Nov 30, 2002 5:37 PM
if you did buy the slide, would you be leaning toward the V107 or the SC 61.10?
re: De Rosa vs. CioccBerm
Nov 30, 2002 12:54 PM
In terms of materials, I have a Pegoretti built with SC61.10. It is a great tubing. I can't flex the BB and yet the ride is very compliant. In fact, the frame is more comfortable then my 853 steel frame that it replaced. Also, the material is very sturdy as the frame survived a wicked crash and withstood cold-setting when the rear triangle was pushed 3/4" out of true.
SlideEager Beagle
Dec 2, 2002 7:04 AM
A Guy I ride with has a non-carbon Slide, with Chorus 10 and FIR wheels.

It's a great machine, and featherlight.

You wouldn't be disappointed. The finish is great too.