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Thoughts on Bill Holland Frames?(6 posts)

Thoughts on Bill Holland Frames?jmadden
Nov 25, 2002 1:29 PM
Hi,

I've been considering one of these bikes. Anyone have any experience with Holland frames? Did you visit Bill Holland for a fitting session? What was your experience like?

Thanks

John
yyz100@poboxed.com
re: Thoughts on Bill Holland Frames?jagreenwald
Nov 25, 2002 5:51 PM
Not personally but I've heard really good things about his bikes. I decided not to go custom and went to my LBS (Trek Bikes in La Mesa). If you want to check a few out, I heard there are rides Sunday mornings from the Starbucks in Rancho San Diego. I've seen a few guys on Holland Bikes there. (and if you're hungry, the deli next to Starbucks, Giacopellis, is the best)
re: Thoughts on Bill Holland Frames?grzy
Nov 26, 2002 11:50 AM
Wifey likes hers very much. Fits her like a glove and came in around 17 lbs. Fit and finish is excellent although the tubeset is not as manipulated as a Serotta. I wasn't around when she bought it, but she reports that the experience was a very positive one - you just have to be patient - good work takes time. Her bike has held up quite well and I've been the sole mechanic on it for several years now. No problems what so ever with the bike.
"the tubeset is not as manipulated as a Serotta."MXL02
Nov 26, 2002 12:29 PM
Grzy- pardon my frame building ignorance, but what does that mean? Do you mean the use of oversized tubes and different butting combos, etc.?
"the tubeset is not as manipulated as a Serotta."grzy
Nov 26, 2002 5:47 PM
Exactly.

Holland and most other Ti frame builders tube sets may be butted, but most of them are not tapered in the least. However, a Legend tubeset in addition to being butted will also run considerable taper. Changing the cross section of the tube changes it's bending characteristics and thus the ride quality. Ultimately it's more work and more expensive since each frame size requires it's own custom tube set. Take a look at the chain stays, seat tube and down tube on a Legend Ti and you'll notice that they're larger in diameter at the BB and smaller further away (except the upper rear chainstays which run a double taper and are thickest around the brake caliper area). Ben Serotta has spent more time and effort fine tuning the ride and feel of his frames and it is not something he's going to compromise just b/c there are a ton of other ti frame builders jumping on the band wagon.
"the tubeset is not as manipulated as a Serotta."jmadden
Nov 29, 2002 3:51 PM
I guess if you believe that makes a difference in frame. To me it seems like mostly marketing just like the so call "vertical compliance."

If you have more than nominal bending forces on a bicycle tubes you've got problems. Bike tubes are either in tension or compression for the most part.

No doubt Serotta's are fine bicycles, but there is more than a little marketing hyperbole. Guess I'm not a "its the tubes!" type of guy.